Iksar Shaman - Solo Challenges?

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Bears.

Beets.

Battlestar gallactica

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FACTUALLY

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[Snaggles]

All Regen is FT if you canni. There is an argument in casting regrowth, using a fungi staff, wearing a fungi tunic, or even rolling a regen class. I just don’t know if it’s worth 30+ more pages to debate ad nauseam.

As for dotting and fearing animals and undead without snare…goodness. No, thus is not “as good as a JBB”. It would also take a mountain of factioning or level 55 (bear form) to even be viable.

Play the race/class you want to and spend less time justifying it to nerds. This is an EQ sim not a high school one.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All Regen is FT if you canni.

Indeed. But when you have Torpor (+300 Regen), +8 Regen is only a 2.66% improvement in your Cannibalization efforts. Less if you are using Regrowth and Fungi Tunic.

This is why FSI wins once you have Torpor. Increasing your survivability during the first minute of a fight (before a mob is slowed) will be better than a small boost to your Mana/HP regeneration on a class that can already fully recover in 3 minutes or less. Troll/Iksar HP regeneration is giving you +80 HP in that first minute, which isn't even 1 hit from a difficult mob. Slowing a mob earlier due to FSI preventing an interrupt will save a lot more than 80 HP.

It's the same reason why Vindi BP is generally better than Fungi Tunic on a Torpor Shaman. You want to reduce spikes in damage, those are what kill a Torpor Shaman. Vindi BP gives you more AC, HP, and Resists to do just that. Once a mob is slowed you can already control your HP/Mana very well with Torpor and Cannibalize.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Play the race/class you want to and spend less time justifying it to nerds. This is an EQ sim not a high school one.

Agreed. Nobody is forcing anybody to play a race/class they do not like. Nobody is making fun of people who play X Race or X Class. All I am doing is providing the correct information on the game, so people can make their own decisions. There is nothing wrong with playing a non-Ogre Shaman, you can do all of the same content. Some people like to know what the Min/Max options are though, and there is no reason why we should obfuscate this information. If people like playing Min/Max, there is nothing wrong with that either.

Take these two statements: "FSI is provably better than Troll/Iksar Regen when a Shaman has Torpor", and "ToV Weapons are provably better than Rusty Weapons". I am not sure why the former gets so much pushback, and the latter does not. Both are proven via math and data, and are quite easy to prove.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed. But when you have Torpor (+300 Regen), +8 Regen is only a 2.66% improvement in your Cannibalization efforts. Less if you are using Regrowth and Fungi Tunic.

This is why FSI wins once you have Torpor. Increasing your survivability during the first minute of a fight (before a mob is slowed) will be better than a small boost to your Mana/HP regeneration on a class that can already fully recover in 3 minutes or less. Troll/Iksar HP regeneration is giving you +80 HP in that first minute, which isn't even 1 hit from a difficult mob. Slowing a mob earlier due to FSI preventing an interrupt will save a lot more than 80 HP.

It's the same reason why Vindi BP is generally better than Fungi Tunic on a Torpor Shaman. You want to reduce spikes in damage, those are what kill a Torpor Shaman. Vindi BP gives you more AC, HP, and Resists to do just that. Once a mob is slowed you can already control your HP/Mana very well with Torpor and Cannibalize.



Agreed. Nobody is forcing anybody to play a race/class they do not like. Nobody is making fun of people who play X Race or X Class. All I am doing is providing the correct information on the game, so people can make their own decisions. There is nothing wrong with playing a non-Ogre Shaman, you can do all of the same content. Some people like to know what the Min/Max options are though, and there is no reason why we should obfuscate this information. If people like playing Min/Max, there is nothing wrong with that either.

Take these two statements: "FSI is provably better than Troll/Iksar Regen when a Shaman has Torpor", and "ToV Weapons are provably better than Rusty Weapons". I am not sure why the former gets so much pushback, and the latter does not. Both are proven via math and data, and are quite easy to prove.

Rusty 2hander better than tov weapons for bowquest. Sorry you’re wrong.

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Dsm proof is in his youtube videos. If you can't extract his mathematical equations from there, then where the fuck did you go to public school?

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yeah ill take regen any day

too bad my shaman is barb, but polar bear was what i wanted so here we are

[Snaggles]

Do you have regrowth on? If not, and no fungi, and not a troll, that’s approx 1.5 the effect of C2.

Do you have at least soft capped Wisdom? (Not you, but figuratively others). If not, bring say 60 wisdom under cap is about three casts of Turgurs or Torp.

There are a lot of trope statements about shaman gearing and most should have an asterisk. Fact is most players spend more time buffing, debuffing, and healing. Iksars have the most starting Wis. They don’t need bear or shrink to navigate a lot of places. It’s a helluva hill solo without an epic or JBB but they also don’t die from getting stuck in stairs, ladders, or doorways. That is is a frequent memory of leveling my troll shaman. More so than the bash-spell interrupts that resulted in a death.

If I could wave a wand and change my sham into another race it would prob be an iksar. Those wands don’t exist tho.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you have regrowth on? If not, and no fungi, and not a troll, that’s approx 1.5 the effect of C2.

Do you have at least soft capped Wisdom? (Not you, but figuratively others). If not, bring say 60 wisdom under cap is about three casts of Turgurs or Torp.

There are a lot of trope statements about shaman gearing and most should have an asterisk. Fact is most players spend more time buffing, debuffing, and healing. Iksars have the most starting Wis. They don’t need bear or shrink to navigate a lot of places. It’s a helluva hill solo without an epic or JBB but they also don’t die from getting stuck in stairs, ladders, or doorways. That is is a frequent memory of leveling my troll shaman. More so than the bash-spell interrupts that resulted in a death.

If I could wave a wand and change my sham into another race it would prob be an iksar. Those wands don’t exist tho.

Troll/Iksar Regeneration gives you 4800 HP per hour over Barbarians/Ogres at level 60, assuming you are never at 100% HP. That's all it is doing.

4800 HP per hour is the equivalent of 3-4 Torpors per hour, depending on if your Torpor ticks 4 times or 5. This is 540-720 Mana per hour with Alteration Specialization.

If you want to compare Troll/Iksar Regeneration to a mana buff, it is basically the equivalent of Flowing Thought I on a Torpor Shaman. Realistically it is less than that, because a Torpor Shaman played efficiently is going to be at 100% HP and Mana when they are out of combat. I assume you want to play your character efficiently if you are worried about which racial is best.

All HP/Mana Regeneration is helpful. Nobody is denying that. FSI is simply more helpful, because surviving the pre-slow phase of a hard fight is more beneficial than saving 1.5-2 minutes (realistically less) on recovery per hour. Unfortunately Troll/Iksar Regeneration is too slow to typically be useful in terms of surviving a tough fight at level 60. Troll/Iksar HP Regeneration gives you a non-zero percent increase in survivability, but so does FSI, and FSI's non-zero percent increase in survivability is higher. That's why FSI is better on Shamans with Torpor. It's really that simple.

When it comes to size issues, Shamans can make Shrink Pots, which work both indoors and outdoors. They can also cast Shrink indoors. Iksars have a small benefit on a few raid targets by being naturally smaller, but normally size issues are easy to fix on a Shaman if they are a problem for you. Zone knowledge also helps. The longer you play a big race, typically the better you get at knowing where the problem areas are.