Bard swarm kiting or zone disruption?

[Eisai]

I love this forum.

[Talerain]

I have a question about swarming in Velk. For example, Frenzied group trains entrance and bard picks up all the mobs and starts to snare them around for entrance group rather than causing a wipe or our group from being disrupted. Is it the AOE Damage portion that is causing issues, the repetitive behavior mentioned in CoM or something else?

In the scenario above, I have several options:
Always play snare song run in circles:
1) combine with melee dps buffs to let melee kill faster
2) combine with an aoe DOT and melee dps to slowly kill things and supply group with dmg buffs
3) only play aoe dots while melee kill
4) have person root individually, play aoe dps songs on top of them while they can't hit you while you are no longer swarming but still snaring.

Which of these is bannable?

Keep in mind that it is never the intent to swarm kite in the zone but if shit hits the fan why would it not be considered an option for a "group" to handle it how they deem fit?

[Eisai]

I hope all of them are okay. I'd hate for them to make a rule that disrupts group play. Might as well can enchanter from aoe mez.

I really see the rule as "don't monopolize a zone" which is just playnice/"don't be a dick" which has always been a rule.

Treat it how the court system defines pornography: I'll know it when i see it

[Duik]

So a bard swarming and NOT damaging it to CC is still not OK? Or is it.

Letting them do that would allow them/the group to still make use of that good strat (from an example above). Same with training in the various planes (fear?) Start dotting etc and it breaks the rules.

I cant believe this needed to be policed in the first place. Actually I can.
Boredom has set in.
Which lead to entitlement.
If I can, I will.

Maybe im missing something.

[Eisai]

Thousands of dkp have been awarded to bards for swarming in com while grouped with a 40+ cleric/rogue/warrior. Which allowed them to bid very high on contested drops. Plus all the cash/item loot. The only thing they were asked for was to take that shit outside so it doesn't disrupt group play. Unfortunately a few didn't care and their example led to more and more mimics. What once was a 3am problem became an all day affair.

Either way; i think instead of a rants and flames post that will never get attention there should be a petition made seeking a clear definition of what is swarm kiting. I can't imagine that they intend to make group play suffer for what a few selfish soloists have earned for their class.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thousands of dkp have been awarded to bards for swarming in com while grouped with a 40+ cleric/rogue/warrior. Which allowed them to bid very high on contested drops. Plus all the cash/item loot. The only thing they were asked for was to take that shit outside so it doesn't disrupt group play. Unfortunately a few didn't care and their example led to more and more mimics. What once was a 3am problem became an all day affair.

Either way; i think instead of a rants and flames post that will never get attention there should be a petition made seeking a clear definition of what is swarm kiting. I can't imagine that they intend to make group play suffer for what a few selfish soloists have earned for their class.

The funny thing is a bunch of these bards would take ages to kill their kite, often dieing yet refuse offers of help in AoEing the swarm down faster.

[Ciderpress]

For the willfully obtuse salty bards: don't bard in a way that is obviously insanely annoying to other people in the zone. This rule needed to be implemented because you couldn't just do this on your own, apparently.

Woah, woah woah I can't understand, is it okay for me to swarm in velks if I'm helping a group level, who is obviously okay with me doing that and actively wants me to do it??? Isn't that like, kiiiiinda the same as me swarming com and training the shit out of everyone?? Boy, I don't understand this mysterious new ruling!

[Talerain]

I've asked several different people and have got several different answers. I definitely can see if someone is being a Jerk to the entire zone who continuously does the same thing for hours on end. I'm talking limited once in like 2 - 3 hour crap when 1 mob gets stuck somewhere up top and just starts social aggroing everything.

In 7 hours today in Velks, I only had 1 pull which ended up with like 7+ mobs but they just kept coming in waves of 2 - 3 for about 3 waves. Now can I use my DPS songs or not in this scenario?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Talerain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've asked several different people and have got several different answers. I definitely can see if someone is being a Jerk to the entire zone who continuously does the same thing for hours on end. I'm talking limited once in like 2 - 3 hour crap when 1 mob gets stuck somewhere up top and just starts social aggroing everything.

In 7 hours today in Velks, I only had 1 pull which ended up with like 7+ mobs but they just kept coming in waves of 2 - 3 for about 3 waves. Now can I use my DPS songs or not in this scenario?

The staff are not going to punish you for pulling in a group and pulling a bunch of mobs that you and your group then kill (including with you using your AoE song if needed) - assuming that you're not stealing mobs from another person/group's camp. They would likely punish you if you repeatedly caused trains with your pulling that screwed up other people, but that's not a Bard issue they would do that to any puller.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the willfully obtuse salty bards: don't bard in a way that is obviously insanely annoying to other people in the zone. This rule needed to be implemented because you couldn't just do this on your own, apparently.

Woah, woah woah I can't understand, is it okay for me to swarm in velks if I'm helping a group level, who is obviously okay with me doing that and actively wants me to do it??? Isn't that like, kiiiiinda the same as me swarming com and training the shit out of everyone?? Boy, I don't understand this mysterious new ruling!

This is well said. It's pretty freaking obvious what the staff is talking about here. And the group angle technically has nothing to do with Bards...any puller could pull a shit ton of mobs and cause zone disruption and they'd be in trouble, this isn't anything new.