Are fungus tunics classic?

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Originally Posted by Rygar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In response to everyone recalling how Lguk was perma camped with all mobs down...

I love reading the kedge keep guide write up. Guy was sick of Lguk being full. Hell even those 4 gargs were a camp.

So he went to kedge and learned the zone, got insane solo exp and never looked back.

I'm regards to fungis, I was a warrior on live, always had a cleric in my group and never did alts. Felt my money was better spent on weapons and velious armor or busy trying to raid. I actually didn't have a haste item until late velious / SoL when an RBG dropped and my pug group let me claim 'need before greed' so got for free.

Was a different time back then when camaraderie was a driving force in us all.

The problem with this post and most regarding nostalgia is this game has been going on for 20 years; ie: when were these memories from? Even at peak, there were half a million subs and server to server things were different. Even pods of buddies and guilds had different mindsets on all sorts of things.

Manastones stopped dropping shortly after classic launched. Guises too. These were exclusive AF, period.

Fungis were treasured and used by duelers and soloers on Rodcet, just like on p99.

Not saying your experience or recollection isn’t valid. It just needs context. Just like mine isn’t for everyone as we all lived different nerdy lives.

Part of the p99 issue is shoehorning “classic” into one shoe. We also never did sweaty FTE races or half the crap that happens on p99. This is a different box, that’s great. To think it’s an emulator of exactly 1999 for every EQ fan outside trying to emulate content? That’s crazy.

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Sorry Rygar. I was responding to this.

Originally Posted by Wakanda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People think I'm meme'ing when I tell them this, but I remember when Manastones weren't considered a good or valuable item. I had a next door neighbor who was obsessed with trading, that's all he did on EQ, and I remember someone offering him a Manastone for a Runed Mithril Bracer and him getting offended. And then the patch hit shortly after this and he was kicking himself for rejecting the deal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I don't think a lot of us really saw the potential for that item at the time, but obviously others did.

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Actually ignore all this, I was drinking and posting. No offense intended [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Nostalgia is weird and personal. Plenty of memories out there and it seems most with this game were good.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

During the first few years it was unobtanium because it was a genuine edge at the HP numbers of the first expansions. Margins were tighter 25 years ago. We all know the many reasons why, but a Fungi seemed godlike at the time. "Why are you healed already?"

Back during the clear area-med before repop era, it's hard to overstate how cool it was.

But on that note, a LOT of shit was cool!

During the first couple of years, playing an enchanter was fun because being able to cc was viewed as cool. People would get immersed, no joke. "Mob is just staring at me, break mez?" "Yup."

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with this post and most regarding nostalgia is this game has been going on for 20 years; ie: when were these memories from? Even at peak, there were half a million subs and server to server things were different. Even pods of buddies and guilds had different mindsets on all sorts of things.

Manastones stopped dropping shortly after classic launched. Guises too. These were exclusive AF, period.

Fungis were treasured and used by duelers and soloers on Rodcet, just like on p99.

Not saying your experience or recollection isn’t valid. It just needs context. Just like mine isn’t for everyone as we all lived different nerdy lives.

Part of the p99 issue is shoehorning “classic” into one shoe. We also never did sweaty FTE races or half the crap that happens on p99. This is a different box, that’s great. To think it’s an emulator of exactly 1999 for every EQ fan outside trying to emulate content? That’s crazy.

It's a true story. Was there any reason why a Manastone would be more rare than an Evil-Eye bag is today? That's a serious question. I played early EQ, but I don't know the nuances like that since I mostly had a variety of low level noobs scattered throughout Norrath at that time. But I genuinely remember Manastones not being seen as a super rare or as a particularly valuable item on my server until AFTER they were nerfed. A lot of lower level noobs like my friend and I couldn't even comprehend why they could possibly be good.

Also looking up patch notes for OG EQ out of genuine curiosity is wild. As a kid 6 months into EQ felt like 5 years, no exaggeration. It felt like it took a life time for Kunark to come out, and that Kunark lasted forever. In actuality it was like a year [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wakanda]

Other weird things too, I can remember executioner's axes being seen as like the best weapon in the game (looked so insane AND had haste??). Langseax that was 6/23 as being a super good item. Bronze breastplate selling for 300 PP etc. I legit only learned on P99 that Banded Armor is superior to Bronze Armor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] they had me convinced Bronze armor was super lit because of how sought after it was on my server.

Also remember black iron boots being a huge deal because they could kick wisps!

[Wakanda]

Last one before I stop; I remember BBC (bone-bladed claymore or something like that?) being an insanely good item that people would spend their entire life trying to get (later discovered Langseax of the Wolves).

But in hindsight, when I say it felt like you would spend your entire life trying to get these items, it was legit prob like 3 weeks, but it felt like 10 years a kid playing the game. Time so different when you are young [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[HarmoniumGuard]

They didn't hand them out because you weren't supposed to have one if you weren't guilded and titled by the Sleeper's Tomb quest. It made Warriors and Monks soloplayable.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by putrid_plum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Everyone is soloing or duoing here thats why they all wear it

This and loramin's point about zones not being filled to the brim with players pretty much makes a lot of people solo by default due to lack of grouping opportunities. This is sort of a negative feedback loop.

I've also noticed players are a lot more risk averse or maybe not just all that adventurous. I've seen a lot of entrance groups in velks content with just staying there while frenzy was open. The most daring puller will go up to broodling but they'll never move to CE/safehall. Won't complain being a chanter but that boggles my mind. I can understand people not wanting to deal with the absolute fuckery that is charasis but there is no reason for sebilis early camps being empty. Much less spending your entire 50s in LCY, that's just straight up dumb.

Jimjam's take on the lower AC caps also rings true but even if you have 1400ac and all of that would be effective, 10-30ac feels like a drop in the sea while regen is generally more helpful compared to the tiny mitigation you'd lose.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Perhaps the issue isn't the Fungi* but the other options available not being classic?

For example, there is a growing body of evidence that there is currently some kind of cap on worn AC. This cap on p99 is suggested to be far lower than what is suggested by accounts contemporary to early everquest.

If this is true, then one would expect the Fungi to be disproportionately powerful - when you already have 180 worn AC and there is no benefit to exceeding 200 worn AC there is no difference between a 20 AC top and a 50 AC top (except one gives a big boost to regen)!

Speaking of regen and caps, there seems to have been all sorts of hidden 'antitwink' code in classic EQ - worn AC caps which scaled with level, pitiful returns from stats in early levels, and diminished returns on stats after a certain point (e.g. 75 Agi, 200 Int, etc).

IDK how I missed this post before (I mostly only look at forums while inebriated tbf). But this has to be true. AC is king was way more valid on original EQ. I remember being genuinely confused when I played on P99 for the first time and saw all kinds of melees wearing low ac stuff by choice [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] like it was the meta to wear the woven shadow that had terrible stats on it because of the high AC and kunark armor (ie. Mrylokar’s) was considered an upgrade from planar gear because it had more AC. You would feel the difference when you equipped it.

The part about thinks not being OP is also true. I made the mistake of giving someone I thought was a friend my account because at the time I didn’t think I would play it again. They deleveled my roughe as far down as you could, but I still had all of the no drop stuff when I got my account back (a GM may have helped me get this stuff back, I honestly can’t remember). But even with Ragebringer (and yes I could equip at very low level unlike on P99), and full skyshrine, I struggled to solo orc legionnaires in crushbone. I remember actually being mad. Meanwhile I could twink a rogue with a satnav backstabber and some cheap gear and easily solo the, on p99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]