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Old 03-24-2025, 07:12 PM
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I didn't even go to vote in Germany the last 3 times because it's like voting for Coke or Pepsi. It's all the same! Everything is equal! Whether you vote nazism or communism, it doesn't make a difference!
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Old 03-24-2025, 07:20 PM
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Soren you use a highly inordinate amount of exclamation points, and because I'm internet savvy I know that means you're probably being ironic or insincere in some way. What do you actually believe?
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Old 03-24-2025, 07:22 PM
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I think wage slave more implies non-meaningful work that doesn't bring fulfillment to your life, to some people that even means being a doctor (high suicide rate when they find out what the job actually is, basically a 7 minute assembly line for some healthcare corp).

The complaint is more as follows: Even if you're insanely skilled and competent, and work hard, there are very few paths to financial independence and fulfillment that don't involve being a toadie in some CEO's downline. Yes, if you excel in your work, you are able to leverage a larger piece of the pie for yourself, but as long as you are an employee and not an owner, most of the proceeds of your excellence are just going into someone's yacht fund. Fast forward 30 years, the vast majority of people have spent 10 hours a day 5 days a week carving out enough for themselves that yea, they've been able to kinda enjoy life, go on some vacations, buy a house, have some kids.

When you look in the backend you see that their zeal and drive to carve out a life for themselves was channeled into fuel for capitalism, for someone else's benefit. You were allowed to keep a hefty portion for yourself, but not without kicking up to the guy at the top of the pyramid. Very, very few people have the capacity to subvert this process.

In life, there is no way around having to work to earn your freedom, even if you work for yourself (unless you were born with money). I'm sure there are plenty of dropouts who do so out of laziness or just being too stupid, but I'd also argue that opting out on ideological terms can be a valid and honorable choice. On the other side of it, hustle culture is fucking insufferable.

What would Jesus do?
I do agree it is harder than ever to support oneself and no longer the case where a man can support an entire family on his income alone

However, some of the benefits to working, as I see them are:

1. You are doing your community a service. There is no dishonorable job. From a garbage truck driver to a dishwasher to a CEO, you are doing a positive thing for your community. Pat yourself on the back. You are a champion

2. It puts you on a schedule. Retirement is a killer for one main reason: we are built to move and have purpose. Lose your purpose, stop moving, and you die. Well, much faster anyway

3. It helps keep your socialization in practice, for most jobs. Most Reddit bro recluses that are using TEH EVIL CAPITALISM as an excuse to not work are often human women repellant. And friend repellant. They are often loners with no social skills and are doing whatever they can to ensure that they don’t have to do any exposure therapy aka socialization practice to get better at socializing. Let’s just be a hermit forever and hope after I die that someone will notice the smell in a few weeks, yadda yadda

4. Going along with 3, it creates opportunities for those who develop social skills to network. People date co-workers, co-workers sometimes become roommates and best friends

That’s just off the top of my head, there are numerous other benefits

And what’s the alternative? To waste away in some parent’s basement complaining online about not being able to feel fulfilled in many jobs?

It may suck, or seem like it sucks (I don’t think it sucks even with a low paying job due to those benefits plus more) but it’s better than any alternative
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Old 03-24-2025, 07:30 PM
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Soren you use a highly inordinate amount of exclamation points, and because I'm internet savvy I know that means you're probably being ironic or insincere in some way. What do you actually believe?
I drank two Gin-Tonics 2 hours ago and still drunk. When I was 16 I was diagnosed with undifferentiated schizophrenia, asperger and psychosis. Since then I taking Olanzapine pills, those anti-psychotics, 10 mg every night. Been to a psychiatry twice and all my female therapist is doing is prescribing me more pills. I am lonely as can be and I spend my day working out or playing Left 4 Dead 2 or reading books. Last year I have read the entire Bible from start to finish and then the 3 books of Enoch.

All it has done is strengthen my belief in fatalism because Christians believe in Jesus or God which would not exist without a Bible, which is a physical book, meaning those Christians source their faith on something materialistic which the Bible is. If God was real, he would speak without needing a huge book with many words that say nothing. My white Order of the Eastern Star Bible has over 700 pages. I learned nothing. Let me be the first ultra-fatalist in the world. Everything is fatalism. There is no thought needed to let go of your beliefs and become a fatalist. Don't go to vote for those harmful political parties. Don't vote and become free!!!!
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Old 03-24-2025, 07:32 PM
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I am 28 years old right now and I take Olanzapine since I'm 16 years old. I've heard it messes with your brain chemistry. Well all it did for me is to sound crazy and unhinged on the internet and make me the opposite a quiet shy person in real life. I will live a lonely life but it works! I can go to work and pretend to be a normal person! Hail Olanzapine! Hail psych meds! It helps guys. Trust me.
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Old 03-24-2025, 08:02 PM
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On the one hand it's clearly some insincere form of parody but on the other, it's unhinged in a way that is kind of sincere
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Old 03-24-2025, 10:24 PM
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Fatalism is pointless it just sounds cool.

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Old 03-24-2025, 10:43 PM
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Old 03-24-2025, 10:47 PM
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I am 28 years old right now and I take Olanzapine since I'm 16 years old. I've heard it messes with your brain chemistry. Well all it did for me is to sound crazy and unhinged on the internet and make me the opposite a quiet shy person in real life. I will live a lonely life but it works! I can go to work and pretend to be a normal person! Hail Olanzapine! Hail psych meds! It helps guys. Trust me.
It’s probably moreso the ASD making you quiet and shy IRL than anything else. That’s pretty common. Def some benefits though from ASD in terms of your thinking and ability to dial in

I am also a Christian like you, and one thing you could try is going to Church? In most Christian churches they force us to socialize and greet one another with a handshake and saying “God’s peace” to everyone around you at the start of every congregation

If you want to continue to meet people a lot of Christian churches do a singles group sometimes after their sermons. Or you can do volunteering. For example I’ve built beds for low income families who had kids sleeping on the floor with a church group of about 20 people. It was fun!
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