Discussion: Play Nice (Training, Bind Camping)

[Pudge]

^ things wouldn't happen that way here. players will not 'police themselves' like on live. on live training was also illegal, except for sullon

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by Arillious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bind camping doesnt happen very much and you should not much to much thought into it.

Regarding training, I'd suggest less GM involvement. Most guilds will not allow someone who is a known trainer to be in their guild. .

rofl

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ppl have had massive discussions on training in the past.. could dig up a link.

training: should be illegal. only way to enforce is fraps or it didn't happen. or GM witness. this makes a clear cut line: if you don't have fraps, you can't say shit. ppl will learn to not waste GM time when their account gets suspended by uthgaard for petitioning "soandso trained me, check the logs and ban him"

there is obviously a judgement call that will have to be made as to what constitutes a "train" - was it a true accident, how many mobs were involved, is the environment one where mob agro is inevitable? etc. but whatever the judgements be, it will be better to have the "trainer" cry about gm favoritism than to have a server full of clerics, bards, and monks "pvping" you with an army of npcs

bind camping: should be legal. just make it so ppl don't lose exp if they are bind camped. i would like to be able to bind camp an enemy guild to prevent bind rushers from returning to the battlefield..

i posted before a suggestion that maybe: if you are in your bind zone, naked, and haven't casted any spells/attacked anyone, then when you die (to pvp) you don't lose exp.

Bind rushing: allowed, but do things like when you're killed in pvp, have 0 mana when you respawn

LnS: on vztz by the end of the server we wound up with: if the losing guild requests LnS, it must be granted, and the loser cannot come back for 1 hour. so if the loser wanted to try and keep fighting, he could. when he had enough, he could request LnS. in guild pvp, the officers or someone claiming to be in charge would call the LnS, and it would be for the entire guild/crew (guilds like to have unguilded 'members' on pvp servers).

however back in the day I also enjoyed trying to get my corpse from corpse campers. i don't know how many ppl would prefer an LnS system over corpse-campage though, especially with exp loss on pvp death.

Right now, i'm leaning towards... let ppl corpse camp. whoever died can log on an alt or something and wait till the camper is gone.

but this also ties in with /whoing ppl who are anon. i'd rather /anon didn't work and that you could tell when someone was done corpse camping you... (on vztz /anon didn't work)

You're so ass backwards I can't even laugh because laughing at retards is mean.

Making training legal will get rid of most of the petitions the staff has to deal with. It's going to happen anyway, just let it happen.

Bind Camping is just stupid. Who cares if you're not losing XP when you're bind camped if you can't go anywhere? The waste of time being stuck there while some dickhead kills you over and over is more aggravating than losing XP.

Same thing with Corpse Camping.

[Arillious]

Originally Posted by Pudge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ things wouldn't happen that way here. players will not 'police themselves' like on live. on live training was also illegal, except for sullon

I'm not so sure, either way I'd start with erroring on the side of having less GM involvement and then slowly add GM involvement if its needed.

[Envious]

Love how E-thug Macken so hard, but doesnt want training... Kinda limp wristed.

Whoever thinks training was not happening on TZ is simply mistaken or stupid. I personally trained VS on KC ent groups for hours at a time. Saw my pal training AoW on other guilds.

The bottom line is this. Training will happen. Its effective. And impossible to really police without having someone watching over every person's shoulder IRL as they play.

IF your insane enough to think your GM staff can handle policing training, these will be the consequences:

Floods of petitions, both true and false.
Youtube videos like Searyx posted about, supposed evidence of X guild or person training.
People claming GM favoritism EVERY TIME A DECISION IS MADE.
People trolling GMs for sport on "trains"
People quitting server after they or a friend is banned.
Anon training by low lvls on random accounts from IP proxies*

And Pudge is soft, ignore him.

[Tamiah2011]

I have one point...NO GM involvement unless race slander is being used.All is fair game in pvp,Training,greifing,ect ect...I dont think even if GM agrees to this GM like Uthgaard and Hobby will not follow it..They tend to be players and not Gms and there friends cloud there judgement on what there true function is on server.

[Scribbles]

so hard to escape bind camping

[Scribbles]

and by so hard to escape what i mean is it is literally the easiest thing in the world to avoid/escape and it would be a godawful waste of gm resources to ahve them try to police it

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Ennoia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're so ass backwards I can't even laugh because laughing at retards is mean.

Making training legal will get rid of most of the petitions the staff has to deal with. It's going to happen anyway, just let it happen.

Bind Camping is just stupid. Who cares if you're not losing XP when you're bind camped if you can't go anywhere? The waste of time being stuck there while some dickhead kills you over and over is more aggravating than losing XP.

Same thing with Corpse Camping.

Ennoia I'm honestly not sure what you're thinking here.

Training - why would you incentivise training? Making training "ok" isn't a good idea. Even if you can't take care of it every time if you make it a rule and enforce it when you can there will be more PvP and less training involved in higher end fights (say trak fights)

Bind camping - this i do kinda agree with you on, except for the fact Rogean has said multiple times they're pretty serious about XP loss on pvp deaths.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Arillious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bind camping doesnt happen very much and you should not much to much thought into it.

Regarding training, I'd suggest less GM involvement. Most guilds will not allow someone who is a known trainer to be in their guild. If someone from Guild A is training Guild B, then Guild B should contact a Guild A officer and provide evidence. If guild A doesnt do anything about it, then guild B should just corpse camp the hell out of guild A until the person is removed or the guild falls apart. Either way, problem solved. Worked on live.

This is soooooo naive, literally laughed out loud reading this post.