How EQ PvP really was - No bullshit guide

[Harrison]

Someone ban wehrmacht again?

[tmoneynegro]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can absolutely run around chanting people to death while they have no way to touch you.

Once again, those bard chants did not land worth a crap during Kunark and Velious. All these people giving their "bard tales" are reliving their glory days of attacking people with 50FR/50CR. I pvp'd with over 100MR/100FR/100CR and was never at any time in danger of dying to a bard no matter what they did. They would never be able to get 2 dots going at the same time and would only be able to get 1 going intermittently so racial regen + fungi tunic pretty much nullified the entire thing. That's how real EQ was.

Some people might think that isn't balanced but if you change resists so bards can easily land dots + perma snare people, then warrior/monk/rogue and a few others will probably be free, 0 skill kills to any bard while standing in an outside zone. So the choices are between making one utility class slightly weak (bard), or making several melee classes suffer huge imbalances and basically be unplayable solo due to that class. The EQ devs chose to balance by whatever resulted in the best outcome for the most classes instead of helping one class and causing several others to be unplayable.

[Softcore PK]

They would not resist every time, no. It was easy to keep 2 dots on without one falling off. Of course, I wasn't high level until Velious had been out for a while, and I'm sure OoS helped me a great deal.

EDIT: Pure melee classes WERE free kills, if you were a blah bard and only kited. Though snare was just about always resisted, it was not needed with Selo's.

[tmoneynegro]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They would not resist every time, no. It was easy to keep 2 dots on without one falling off. Of course, I wasn't high level until Velious had been out for a while, and I'm sure OoS helped me a great deal.

Your post is meaningless because you played a bard and have no idea what the resists of people you attacked were. A huge percent of PvP population had terrible gear.

As someone with high resists being attacked by them, I know exactly the threat of their 0 resist mod dots, and the threat was basically negligible. The occasional dots slipping through might have been a problem for normal races, but if you were a troll/iksar wearing a fungi, you just laugh at them.

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by tmoneynegro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your post is meaningless because you played a bard and have no idea what the resists of people you attacked were. A huge percent of PvP population had terrible gear.

As someone with high resists being attacked by them, I know exactly the threat of their 0 resist mod dots, and the threat was basically negligible. The occasional dots slipping through might have been a problem for normal races, but if you were a troll/iksar wearing a fungi, you just laugh at them.

I suppose that may be the case. But you were writing a guide, were you not? You never specified that the guide was written strictly for people playing trolls/iksar, with fungi tunics and above average resists. Maybe you should include that in the OP.

[lindz]

You are now only talking about a pvp game where people are in BiS raid gear. That is not relevant for most people on a pvp server.

Those people in BiS raid gear, if they were out solo pvping were either looking to gank people or if you were in grp, the dynamic is very different.

Also, get your story straight - if you are talking about classic era pvp stop including fungi tunics, epics, tstaffs and iksars. If we are talking Kunark/Velious, the pvp changes a lot especially in Velious where resists were a lot easier to get, hp pools were much larger and melee became even more dangerous.

Either way, lets just make it classic and be done with it. The devs are not going to balance the server around your opinion of bard vs melee.

[Hailto]

Wait, so you're telling me rangers can actually be decent in classic eq pvp? Ive always wanted to play a Ranger on EQ but ive never felt i could justify it. Can someone confirm this?

[tmoneynegro]

Originally Posted by lindz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are now only talking about a pvp game where people are in raid gear.

Well I'm not some random noob player that plans to PvP with 25 magic resist, what point of view were you expecting for this post? I was in the best geared guild on SZ during the era that this P99 server represents (pre-luclin).

The differing opinions occur due to people with crappy gear fighting other crappy geared players.

Originally Posted by lindz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, get your story straight - if you are talking about classic era pvp stop including fungi tunics, epics, tstaffs and iksars.

Nothing in the original post says "0 expansions PvP", it talks about classic + kunark. There's no reason not to talk about it considering it's already out on P99 blue and the resist system is exactly the same as previous expansion.

Originally Posted by lindz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The devs are not going to balance the server around your opinion of bard vs melee.

There's no opinion in my post, it's how EQ live PvP was. The only opinion I stated is that they should use Sullon Zek 50% debuff bonus with normal EQ resists.

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suppose that may be the case. But you were writing a guide, were you not? You never specified that the guide was written strictly for people playing trolls/iksar, with fungi tunics and above average resists. Maybe you should include that in the OP.

Even if you were playing a human with no fungi tunic while standing in the middle of west karana, they still wouldn't be able to kill you before you ran to the zone line if you had over 100FR/100CR o_O

This is why I say the server should utilize the Sullon Zek 50% debuff bonus if the server uses normal EQ resists so classes like this can team up with somebody that can cast malo or whatever which combined with their occlusion, would be pretty powerful.

Normal EQ resists + 50% debuff bonus is about as balanced as you can get because you only get free kills if you actually debuff someone to hell first.

[tmoneynegro]

double post

[Hailto]

One of you bastards answer my question please.