Rules for spawned epic mobs

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Talking things out is a wonderful philosophy. 10 players sitting and waiting for an NPC to spawn can reach a peaceful agreement, yet an 11th can show up and ruin it for them all. And that's one reason we need rules - so the one jerk doesn't ruin a good thing for the other 10, or 20, or 500.


Maligar in West Karanas
Maligar’s Enraged Doppleganger in West Karanas
Blackwing in Rathe Mountains
Nezekezena or Phurzicon in Burning Woods
Eldrig the Old in Skyfire Mountains
Quag Maelstrom in Ocean of Tears
Phinigel Autropos in Kedge Keep
Lord Nagafen
Zordakalicus Ragefire
Talendor
Lady Vox
Gorenaire
Trakanon
Ixiblat Fer in Burning Woods
Overking Bathezid in Chardok
Black Reaver in City of Mist
Venril Sathir
Faydedar in Timorous Deep
Prince Selrach Di'zok in Chardok
Vessel Drozlin in Cabilis
Verina Tomb in Neriak
Cazel in Oasis
Spectral Librarian in Kaesora.
Felia Goldenwing in Skyfire
Wraith of Jaxion in the City of Mist
Impaler Tzilug in the Overthere
Wraith of a Shissar in the Plane of Fear
Ghost of Kindle in The Hole
a forsaken revenant in the Plane of Hate
Tangrin in the Field of Bone
Black Reavers in City of Mist
Neh'Ashirr in the City of Mist
Nezekenza, Phurzikon, and Glyton in the Burning Woods
Undertow in Kedge Keep
Innoruuk in the Plane of Hate
Slixin Klex in the Burning Wood.
Captain Rottgrime in the Overthere
Trabul Earthstrider in East Karana
Iksar betrayer in Chardok
Drolvarg pawbuster in Karnor's Castle
Gwam in Plane of Sky.
Trunt in Mines of Nurga
Vorash and Deep in Lake of Ill Omen
Cazic Thule in the Plane of Fear
Ghost of Glohnor in the Hole
High Scale Kirn in the Hole
Lord Rak in City of Mist


Once a person, group, or guild has handed in a quest item, spawned, or engaged any of the above mobs, is it ok for another person, group or guild to charm / mez / memblur that mob without the original party's consent?

If an NPC accepts turn in items from multiple PC's at the same time, is it ok for someone not getting exp to loot items without the agreement of the party which had exp? (Some of the mobs listed have short corpses; a GM will likely not be available to respond before corpse rot.)

Lemme stop you there. Only the bolded ones are spawned via a turnin / hail. The rest may be spawned by a PHer being killed or on a timer, but are by no means spawned by a turnin or hail.

[ElanoraBryght]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lemme stop you there. Only the bolded ones are spawned via a turnin / hail. The rest may be spawned by a PHer being killed or on a timer, but are by no means spawned by a turnin or hail.

"...or engaged..."
Ah - good point on the title of the post though. It would have been better named "Rules for epic mobs" without the spawned.

[Fazlazen]

Seriously, what are you even talking about ?

[Ele]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Giant list)

Each of those encounters has different aspects to it that are governed by various different rules. Some of those are regular static camps whereas others are raid encounters or a series of triggered spawns.

If an NPC accepts turn in items from multiple PC's at the same time, is it ok for someone not getting exp to loot items without the agreement of the party which had exp? (Some of the mobs listed have short corpses; a GM will likely not be available to respond before corpse rot.)

From the wording of this statement you seek assurance that if multiple persons turn in the required item or use a phrase to trigger a mob, that the exp receiving group (KS) should get the loot and not the first person to turn in the item whether or not they were the first to trigger.

The rules outline that if a person is not entitled to loot the mob, then it is ninjalooting. A person is not entitled if they did not have FTE, did not trigger the spawn first, or received permission to loot the item from the party that is entitled to the item.

[Raavak]

Lotta people showing how little they understand what happened.

[Zapatos]

Let's shy away from the rhetorical question a bit because we already know that for general mobs and npcs that are engaged: training, kill stealing and ninja looting are against the rules. I'll agree that mem blurring and charming should be added for clarification (although that already constitutes raid interference on bigger targets).

For triggered mobs in the kill x to spawn y category (see plane of sky), we have those rules plus a 20minute engage timer or 1 wipe for the raid who triggers.

The problem here seems to be from epic - quest encounters. After one player turns in an item that triggers an event/npc, how long does the player have before another group or raid can engage, if at all? This is different than a normal 'triggered' mob because, for epics, they will usually require hours, if not days, of work in order to get to the point of triggering their mob in the first place; a 20minute timer/1 attempt is by no means fair.

edit:
Off of the top of my head, some examples now would be the druid/ranger epic event in east karana, Ixiblat Fer, Ragefire, the doppleganger in WK.... and down the road would be the triggered versions of Venril Sathir, Faydedar, and Trakanon, to name a few.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a 20minute timer/1 attempt is by no means fair.

Right, on Ragefire it was just sorta agreed I guess yesterday, since two guilds had alot of raiders on hand. Would be a bad precident.

[Raavak]

What if multiple people are feverishly clicking away waiting to trade with a mob that may spawn, and when he does multiple characters may have conceivably done the turn-in to spawn the mob, which is now aggro on everyone. What if this happens when no GM's are around. Is there a way to determine whose it is?

[Bruman]

Gee, I wonder why the industry moved toward instances!

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gee, I wonder why the industry moved toward instances!

Yeah really, you hardly need GM's with that.