Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Glitterati]

Look, I have not had Taken in that lair competing for a busted ass spawn, why add to that drama. After that patch when there is 3+ a week spawning, Taken is gonna be in that lair. Just saying.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of the above nothing at all is noted in the original post, so I'm assuming you want me to fill that part in myself and read your mind. Cool. Re-read your post again and maybe you can tell me how it wasn't snobbish, selfish and completely ignoring the majority of the server. That kind of post belongs between the 3 guilds and if another were willing to come in and KS you'd have quite a bit of trouble on your hands. Clarity might be something to strive for

The last couple of paragraphs of the original addressed this issue, although not as directly as my subsequent post. We requested input from the other guilds that would be participating.

Apologies if the original post was taken as offensive, snobbish, or rude, the clerics in the lair by no means want to thumb their noses at the other clerics the server. We are open to input to ease the tension server-wide concerning this camp.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't bring this thread down with comments that belong in RnF. This is meant for civil discussion so as to end the insanity clerics are currently facing.

I'm sorry Elethia, but this thread should have never been in Server Chat - too hot a topic.

[maverixdamighty]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes I know some of you non-serious guilds think of yourselves as the benevolent white knights of Norrath and all those who engage in ruthless competition on the raid scene as the scourge, but that's fucking retarded. You act like Divinity is the only guild that's ever done a kind deed and has completely avoided any wrongdoing. I've seen both kindness and asshattery come from Divinity in the past. I don't know, maybe each of you in Divinity now are a fucking Jesus Christ in your own right; I wouldn't know.

If you want something.... TAKE IT!!

What I love about Everquest is the self-determination. No, retards, I don't mean that people are determined, though they are; I mean that you are the master of your own destiny. If you want something, all you have to do is want it more than the next guy and act accordingly. Playing Everquest extremely well is an art, but having sufficient skill to do this and that is not that difficult. I had never played Everquest (or any MMO) before this server and now I'm better than 99% of you at it. Everybody knows what is required to get (blank) done, but most people are not willing to muster the time and effort to do so.

I think if you asked a great number of "family style" guilds what it is they would change about this, their responses would altogether boil down to "I want Everquest welfare - give me shit I wouldn't otherwise have because I am not capable/willing enough to get it legitimately." Rather than bitch about the fact that Norrath, like Earth, is a land of haves and have-nots, you should just try to convince the staff to open up another server to spread out the competition. I understand that on live when people didn't like other hardcore players dominating content, they would just move to another server where the competition was more thin. Don't try to advocate Socialism in Norrath just because you don't have another server choice and/or you don't have what it takes to cut it here.

Furthermore, I'm getting really sick of seeing what I call "the defensive second tier guild mentality" in which people always assume the worst about whoever it is. I'm talking about the situation where maybe a tank is snoozing a little and another group pulls a mob through his camp and he attacks the mob and has to listen to /ooc nonsense about how TMO/IB never respect the rules and just do whatever they want and blah blah blah. Don't be a fucking retard and acknowledge the possibility of an honest mistake. I for one am not shy to flip out on people when they act against me (or my pals) with definite malice, but consider at first that most people aren't "out to get you." It's kind of funny that when a similar unfortunate incident occurs with people outside of second tier guilds, they're altogether pretty cool about it. I can't count the number of times I've been trained/inconvenienced, but I can tell you that most of the times it's happened without malice and without extremely negligent inconsideration, my response has been "lol shit happens." BDA is the worst about demonstrating "the defensive second tier guild mentality." And let me tell you, if you automatically just assume the worst and take it to /say or /ooc immediately, I'm just going to live up to your expectations many times over.

Short summary: Don't be a bitch and stop fucking crying.

No offense but you saying you are better than 99% of people playing this made me laugh. If your reading comprehension is lacking that much people are saying if the rotation was done this way there would be guilds there competing for it...

[Skope]

Jeremy, remember when divinity killed a good 75% of everything that popped within a month and for a good while wasn't just "white knight" but rather one of the (and for a couple months THE) premier guilds on the server? To hear you talk about somebody else being morally superior is about the funniest thing on the planet, considering you should still be banned for boxing. I guess you should be thanking the same Rogean I keep calling out for idiotic decisions, letting you off the hook being one of them.

Wanna ask me what happened and why that fell apart? Variance. If it were classic, I can guarantee you we'd still be up there but nobody in this guild is willing to poopsock for years. We tracked, mobilized and competed and when guilds cheated is when Rogean took a nice hot dump down our throat for doing it fairly. Same still applies here. Poopsocking endlessly on mobs that needn't have a massive window (or a window at all) and then bitching about how other people aren't willing to put in that unnecessary time. You're right. Unfortunately, that sort of thinking is why you've got like 400-500 people playing here and if you wanna ride that failtrain until the server takes a dump and crown yourself the king of the hill when everyone's left then so be it. You'll look great in a crown, princess.

[Sizzle]

So what is stopping other guilds from coming in and just sitting on it and actually getting ragefire when they aren't in this said "line"?

[Bruman]

Man, some of you dudes completely miss the point! This is a game.

Not wanting to poopsock doesn't equal welfare. Welfare would be if people weren't willing to kill the mobs themselves. Noone is ever suggesting that. We want the fights, we want them to be the difficulty they should be.

Quit defending poopsocking (man, I'm so tired of this damn word, can we get another one?) as "putting in effort", or something to value. It's not. It's fucking retarded. Comparing it to socialism? Lawl. Stay on topic, brah. Keep the hyperbole in check a little, please.

Also, to the other part of your post, Jeremy - I, for one, always try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Shit happens, especially in this buggy game. I'm sorry if any BDA has "jumped the gun" on making a conclusion. It's something I try to keep people from doing, and will continue to do so, especially within my guild.

[quido]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jeremy, remember when divinity killed a good 75% of everything that popped within a month and for a good while wasn't just "white knight" but rather one of the premier guilds on the server? To hear you talk about somebody else being morally superior is about the funniest thing on the planet, considering you should still be banned for boxing.

Wanna ask me what happened and why that fell apart? Variance. If it were classic, I can guarantee you we'd still be up there but nobody in this guild is willing to poopsock for years. We tracked, mobilized and competed and when guilds cheated is when Rogean took a nice hot dump down our throat for doing it fairly. Same still applies here. Poopsocking endlessly on mobs that needn't have a massive window (or a window at all) and then bitching about how other people aren't willing to put in that unnecessary time. You're right. Unfortunately, that sort of thinking is why you've got like 400-500 people playing here and if you wanna ride that train until the server takes a dump and crown yourself the king of the hill when everyone's left then so be it.

People have been claiming the server has been dying for years now. Please just shut up. The server is pretty healthy, if you ask me.

I'm not claiming anything about anyone being morally superior - you are. I'm telling you that you're a fucking twit.

Face reality and stop crying Skope. Woulda shoulda coulda... didn'ta!!

[quido]

I'm going to buy a cleric and form my own guild and demand he get his ragefire as soon as anyone, now that the going is easy. That's what we're doing, right?!

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Peak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

things that stop some guilds from sitting on pops:

jobs
family
social lives

Currently, and for years now this server caters to those that don't fall within that category. Apparently, this agreement only furthers that and disregards the above. Jeremy, I don't think I need to remind you how many more people we had and how much more spread out the pop was, you date back and yet still ignore it. Or that your views on right and wrong are worth about as much as Loke's.