new rules terrible

[Palemoon]

Dont break the rules and you dont have to worry about getting suspended, simple as that. Hopefully crazycloud and xantille learn this lesson.

[oldfish]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know for a fact many players who were suspended and then banned for repeated training.

But please, continue.

So you having heard of players getting banned for training, means I didnt see trains in Oasis in Rallos daily and that i had never heard of anyone getting banned for it and assumed it wasnt illegal since it was so widespread?

Please continue with your superb logic, mr. important serious forum person

[Morninx]

When it comes to rules for EQ boxes, the biggest fear is GM favoritism. Design rules that are not open to GM interpretation and if I were you, I would have the least # rules as possible since enforcing them is a headache for all.

Also, the rule about CT DT cycle that Amelinda put out needs to be thought about. The rules cannot favor only large guilds on a small box. Even if Nihilum has a raid force outside, they need to come in and pvp, not use their numbers as an excuse to set off CT.

[Jadian]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well you got one thing right.

Glad you can finally admit it. That's the first step to recovery.

[Rallyd]

Here's the real issue that it all comes down to. There's not enough people to enforce these rules, and the enforcement that exists has been incredibly uneven. Nihilum intentionally exploited dragons, logs show it, fraps show it, even a screenshot of Hughman admitting about the ongoing exploitation of nagafen, but yet holocaust was suspended and disbanded but Nihilum went unpunished.

At the time of the holocaust suspension, the numbers in each guild were farily equal, and holocaust had been pushing nihilums shit in. The suspension allowed nihilum to farm loot uncontested for multiple weeks, use said loot to progress further, recruit more people since they were the only show in town, demoralized those suspended leading them to ultimately quit. So I ask, where is the equal treatment of nihilum with a suspension as well? Where is their guild disband? Oh, that's right.

Case in point, last week, beovvulf zones in, is frapped using eye of zomm to set off DT cycle (at that time it was established that doing so was now a suspendable offense), forced us to all camp, which then brought the nihilum zerg forces in for PVP. Crazycloud trained them back, and was suspended, beovvulf was a-ok. This tactic allowed them to sit in fear and farm the entire day. Even GMing.

The other day, Skelly zones in, pulls entire temple on us, forces us to zone/camp, etc., then the zerg forces enter. We return the favor on them Xantille suspended. Skelly? A-ok. Nihilum now allowed to sit in fear and farm.

I've witnessed countless LDC trains to Naggy/FG's etc., not even going to bother going on about how ridiculous it is that Nihilum got EXP rezzes that one time and we never have in the face of Emumu train after Emumu train in Sol B. Complete joke.

I've sent so many petitions, reports, fraps, to staff with people admitting brazenly and proudly that they have trained me or holocaust but zero action, certainly not a Nihilum style CSR Rez.

I want to stress something, I wouldn't care if training was legal, I would simply adapt, adjust, etc., however, apparently it isn't if you have a holocaust tag but it's a-ok if you're nihilum, that doesn't sit right with me. The uneven ruling on this server is a travesty.

I could give fifteen more examples right now but there's no point anymore, I find myself finally agreeing with emperor cast, it's too late to wipe this shit clean, just burn it down.

Once again, gonna have to give you the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6U2cNu9tEM

You lie on all fronts, I couldn't care less what you think, but for people that read this bullshit on forums before they come to play on server? Grats on depleting population with blasphemy.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

idk I say lots of random shit to random people

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by oldfish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you having heard of players getting banned for training, means I didnt see trains in Oasis in Rallos daily and that i had never heard of anyone getting banned for it and assumed it wasnt illegal since it was so widespread?

Please continue with your superb logic, mr. important serious forum person

Just because it was against the rules on live didn't mean every time someone ran to a zone out with mobs got them suspended.

I'll tell you this. I'm sure people DID get warnings which later led to suspensions for training spectres in Oasis. Count on it.

I had a GM despawn a sand giant that someone tried to charm me into.

People who trained Kael raids DEFINITELY got suspended.

The point is, dimwit, that it was against the rules and punishments went beyond a stern talking to.

Originally Posted by Rallyd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You lie on all fronts

I've heard this before!

Shortly after you were nailed for exploiting Nagafen, exploiting Vox, Supreme + others being proven to have been banned for MQ and also for trying to DDoS the server and get it shut down otherwise.

I set out and said "here's what you guys did", was accused of being a liar and then..... well, here I stand bro.

Please tell me where I've ever falsely accused a member of your guild of anything. I will humbly apologize.

[Rallyd]

Anything said in a tell to you Nirgon is a troll statement meant to piss you off, or make you quote it on forums, I win.

[Nirgon]

^

I'll say "You mad" was a troll statement when you thought you'd get away with the CT thing.

I'll say "Enjoy your bans" is a stark contradiction of your previous gloating and definitely stinks of pissed cheerios. But no one went running to the staff about it did they? Oh.

Your defense afterwards is laughable. Here's a fun sentiment, nothing I say to you is with the sole intent of trolling. I've definitely sent you tells with the intent of angering you, but that resulting anger is largely based on your confrontation with the truth and exposure.

[Null]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Case in point, last week, beovvulf zones in, is frapped using eye of zomm to set off DT cycle (at that time it was established that doing so was now a suspendable offense), forced us to all camp, which then brought the nihilum zerg forces in for PVP. Crazycloud trained them back, and was suspended, beovvulf was a-ok. This tactic allowed them to sit in fear and farm the entire day. Even GMing.

The other day, Skelly zones in, pulls entire temple on us, forces us to zone/camp, etc., then the zerg forces enter. We return the favor on them Xantille suspended. Skelly? A-ok. Nihilum now allowed to sit in fear and farm.

I've witnessed countless LDC trains to Naggy/FG's etc., not even going to bother going on about how ridiculous it is that Nihilum got EXP rezzes that one time and we never have in the face of Emumu train after Emumu train in Sol B. Complete joke.

I've sent so many petitions, reports, fraps, to staff with people admitting brazenly and proudly that they have trained me or holocaust but zero action, certainly not a Nihilum style CSR Rez.

I want to stress something, I wouldn't care if training was legal, I would simply adapt, adjust, etc., however, apparently it isn't if you have a holocaust tag but it's a-ok if you're nihilum, that doesn't sit right with me. The uneven ruling on this server is a travesty.

I could give fifteen more examples right now but there's no point anymore, I find myself finally agreeing with emperor cast, it's too late to wipe this shit clean, just burn it down.

Honest question. How did any of that work differently on live? Trains happened all the time right? How often did people get banned? Not all that often in my experience.

Here is typically how shit goes down. We get a petition, someone just trained our shit. We port in, look around, see a bunch of corpses...alright we were too late, shit typically happens pretty fast. So we hang around, keep an eye out....aaaannndddd revenge train.