Contest for Reporting 2boxers?

[legider]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by legider [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

Exactly. I really hope the Admins read this post.

[Lifesbane]

Originally Posted by legider [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

This...

Just happened to my wife and I last night. She was helping me lvl in OOT to in turn allow me to help PL her (I'm a nec, shes a cleric). One second everything is going fine, next moment we both have black screens saying we are banned. We were just discussing too moments prior when Amelinda announced she was searching for 2 boxers that what we are doing will probably look like boxing so we were waiting for any tell or message if we were ever accused, but none such message came and the wrath of Amelinda is swifter than words can be typed (My ulnar nerve was severed recently so I'm not typing quick at all anyway.. but it is fast!) so I was not able to appeal any such decision. I hope such situations can be resolved, I really did enjoy my time that I invested into the character and was enjoying watching my wife and I level up together. Please at least send a message or observe closely before coming to conclusions. I know having the benefit of the doubt will let some bad apples through, but being overly zealous in your efforts will end up hurting more than helping [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Deuces]

I doubt she would just instant ban you w/o giving you a chance to prove you werent boxing. My opinon is this isnt live ....if your upset about the boxing rule there are other servers to play on.

[username1337]

Originally Posted by Lifesbane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This...

Just happened to my wife and I last night. She was helping me lvl in OOT to in turn allow me to help PL her (I'm a nec, shes a cleric). One second everything is going fine, next moment we both have black screens saying we are banned. We were just discussing too moments prior when Amelinda announced she was searching for 2 boxers that what we are doing will probably look like boxing so we were waiting for any tell or message if we were ever accused, but none such message came and the wrath of Amelinda is swifter than words can be typed (My ulnar nerve was severed recently so I'm not typing quick at all anyway.. but it is fast!) so I was not able to appeal any such decision. I hope such situations can be resolved, I really did enjoy my time that I invested into the character and was enjoying watching my wife and I level up together. Please at least send a message or observe closely before coming to conclusions. I know having the benefit of the doubt will let some bad apples through, but being overly zealous in your efforts will end up hurting more than helping [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My brother and I were banned by Uthguaard under similar circumstances more than a year ago. When we tried to petition, Uthguaard provided no evidence and more or less dismissed our case and ignored us. We both decided to quit after discovering that GMs can make such arbitrary decisions with no accountability or evidence.

I came back after a number of months later but my brother decided there was just too much risk of losing your time investment with such reckless GMs.


From that experience I've discovered that the community here, on the whole, is not sympathetic to anybody who possess IP exemptions regardless of how much evidence they supply to the contrary - nobody cares. Further, I've discovered that GMs regularly check on people with IP exemptions for any suspicious behavior (without informing them upon granting the request) so any anecdotal evidence (such as one of you happening to be AFK) is grounds for a permanent ban. Even further, people with IP exemptions are expected not to perform behavior that, in any other circumstances, would be permissible. One such behavior is going AFK for extended periods (like upwards 5 minutes). In any normal circumstance, AFK-ing for 5 minutes while continuing to pull is commonplace, but for people with IP exemptions the expectation is to minimize this behavior as much as possible - else face ban.

When you combine an MMORPG which AFKing is commonplace given hours of gameplay, GMs with the power to ban without anything but self-proclaimed conclusive evidence, and a community who, on the whole, is suspicious of anybody and everybody, then you have a recipe for a disaster when it comes to catching true culprits of crimes.

Meanwhile, the real boxers are behind proxies. How do GMs catch these people?

I think what the real problem is that there is no thread informing people on what constitutes "suspicious" behavior and, without enumerating all cases, state examples of behavior that will be looked into. Only guilty people consider these cases to try and mask their behavior - meanwhile innocent people are just playing as they normally would, not thinking they need to purposely and meaningfully alter their behavior to "appear" they aren't boxing.

Just my 2cents.

[Ikonoclastia]

Originally Posted by legider [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I believe that we all appreciate your efforts to improve the quality of this server. You are going about out in a too extreme of nature. This is creating a general fear in the community that will only harm the server in the end. Thirty-six accounts in a single week is quite a lot, and you are reaching a point where false-positives are becoming ever more likely. You start banning the wrong people, and the whole house will crumble.

I know of couples now who play, that are now concerned that they are going to be seen as boxers simply because they are enjoying each other's company. Many players do not just sit at their computers every second that they are logged in. My girlfriend and I often play with one another and she or I will AFK while the other handles a camp as we take on real-life tasks. This is completely legitimate play, but unless we are both at the keyboard to respond to a passer-by, we are venomously accused of being dual-boxers.

I am not saying allow boxing, but I think the current actions need be tempered. A single strong warning with a flag on an account and at least let the person explain themselves. After that any infractions are a perma-ban offense. I know the GM's time is all volunteered, but there are still restrictions that need to be followed as the power is great.

I post this as I am deeply concerned for the future well-being of Project1999. I love this server.

I have no fear becuz I dont cheat.

[Mojoz_Mon]

Originally Posted by Ikonoclastia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no fear becuz I dont cheat.

And the winner is lol sums this all up in one quick line! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[fischsemmel]

Originally Posted by Mojoz_Mon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And the winner is lol sums this all up in one quick line! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only the naive think that innocence assures a lack of punishment.

[maahes]

Originally Posted by fischsemmel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only the naive think that innocence assures a lack of punishment.

You sir have scored many points in my book. What a great quote. It really scares me to know that there are adults this naive in the world today. Can you imagine what our countries might/will do to us if the majority of people thought this way. SCARY.

[Mojoz_Mon]

Now see I really didn't mean for this to get out of control for reals.. it was kinda started off as joke... I just get bummed at times with no groups to be honest lol.. I def. don't 2 box lol I don't have a toon over 40 :P it would be really lame for your friends to get banned but Amelinda is a cool person she wouldn't just ban on a quick oh 2 toons are there and they are always with eachother... I am sure she does abit of research before smashing with ban hammer... lol sorry this post was taken out of context... I should of though twice about it =P