Raid Changes

[Supreme]

I support Full Loot PVP

[Finawin]

If a guild camps a zone, 24/7, who are you to say they don't deserve the spawn?

I sure as hell won't be doing that. With other raid mobs on a variance timer, I don't see this happening much at all.

The priority of the whining seems to come from casuals vs. hardcores, as usual.

Effort put in is usually proportionate to reward. You can't punish people for being dedicated, whatever your opinion on their dedication is.

[Zarniwooop]

The guilds will not see the rationale for rotating. You have really no choice here. The spawn timer variance changes nothing. Setting up complicated rules changes nothing.

I personally would like to see this:

1. If you see a guild with 15+ people camped in a zone waiting on a spawn, LET THEM EFFING HAVE IT OR WIPE! They can't camp everything at once (see point 2).

2. If they DO try to camp everything (more than 1 15 person raid force in different zones), they have zero camp rights and at this point a GM should force them to choose unless the complainant does not have a 15 person raid force in one of the two zones themselves. This one is the tricky one. I would not lose sleep at seeing this rule cut out as it would also require GM involvement.

3. If a guild wipes on an attempt, the other guild must wait for the mob to fully reset and regen before engaging. If the other guild was in the zone, or at the spawn camp at the time of the wipe, they have lost their rights to the spawn. Don't lag-wipe another guild. Basically any guild that violates this, and requires GM supervision should be put on forcible rotation and left there for the good of all.

4. If a guild consistently violates the spirit of these rules, punish them in terms of spawn rights. They won't care about anything else.



This too will not stop GMs from needing to babysit. That was part of oriignal EQ and all EQ until instancing. The only method to make GMs sane would be a rotation unless the guild leaders came to a private agreement on what is rational and what rules they could agree on.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Zarniwooop [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. If you see a guild with 15+ people camped in a zone waiting on a spawn, LET THEM EFFING HAVE IT OR WIPE! They can't camp everything at once (see point 2).

I like your spirit, and I think we can all agree. The problem is that trans showed up for a dragon 14 hours early.

They are a zerg guild. If they want to have a rotation of 15 people in a zone at any given time, they have the numbers to do so. What is to stop them from killing nagafen and then leaving 15 people in the zone for a week until he spawns again?

The fact that this is not probable has nothing to do with the fact that it is possible. If it is possible and the system allows it, there is nothing to stop them from doing so. If there is nothing to stop them, there is no reason they shouldn't, and then this becomes a goal. If it happens, no other guild on the server would get a shot at any mob they decide to lock down, ever.

I cannot see how anyone feels this is the best solution.

[Zarniwooop]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like your spirit, and I think we can all agree. The problem is that trans showed up for a dragon 14 hours early.

They are a zerg guild. If they want to have a rotation of 15 people in a zone at any given time, they have the numbers to do so. What is to stop them from killing nagafen and then leaving 15 people in the zone for a week until he spawns again?

The fact that this is not probable has nothing to do with the fact that it is possible. If it is possible and the system allows it, there is nothing to stop them from doing so. If there is nothing to stop them, there is no reason they shouldn't, and then this becomes a goal. If it happens, no other guild on the server would get a shot at any mob they decide to lock down, ever.

I cannot see how anyone feels this is the best solution.

If they are truly that willing to forgoe life, then the only solution is a spawn rotation. Seriously. There's nothing else to be worked out if that's the way it is. You cannot have a system that calls for two guilds to make "judgment" calls in real time on something. There are only on/off solutions that are clear cut enough to result in the removal of the GM from the equation.

[Zarniwooop]

And one additional point, all highly contested spawns with timers > 1 day should have variance in their timers.

[Supreme]

just do what WOW did with plat.

Give players a 30 min respawn on all bosses and dilute the encounters/loot to the point that no one cares who or when a boss is killed.

[Pikle]

no highest DPS gets the exp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Pikle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no highest DPS gets the exp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which would make this whole situation extremely unacceptable for trans (with current gear/skill distribution).

[Pikle]

Hasbin I had a long post that I wrote out for you but it did not go through. So here's my attempt at an explanation of what I've already written. I don't think you got what I was saying honestly. All the things I were saying was based on the VARIANCE option. Not on an already known spawn timer. Of course if Naggy spawns at 3:21 why wouldn't both guilds sit with a full raid ready to go at the spawn point? Now if Naggy could spawn today or tomorrow and you still both want to sit with a full raid for 48 hours, go right ahead, You won't be able to take out CT or Vox. The VARIANCE option also allows for mobilization competition.

A set spawn time has many problems, but it's classic. A set spawn time gives guilds the ability to plan when and where to be somewhere, so of course you could set up and camp for 14 hours or whatever before hand. This is where a rotation could be put in place. Of course you need to make sure the rotation is fair and that everyone follows the rules. For anyone who cares, the Strong will survive. The strongest guild can take what they want, it's like real life. It should be like a parking spot at Walmart, first come, first serve. If both people continue to try and take the spot, they collide. But every time someone ends up getting the spot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NOW if you want to keep the spawn time to it's classic point, you set up a rotation. But you have to put someone honest in charge of the rotation. Anyone can be corrupt, anyone from a lvl 1 halfling druid to a GM.

BUT if you want to put in a variance timer then FFA is a logical solution, these things that you claimed I said that weren't very likely but have already happened.... THEY haven't happened, the variance option isn't in for it to happen. With a set timer these things happen, and that's why you are having problems.

Now on my old live server we had 5+ power guilds and we shared rotations on everything. We had a board of people in charge of it so there was limited corruption and we had a forums and everything set up. I don't understand how you people as adults can't solve this issue yourselves without having all these problems and calling mom and dad to help you fix it.

And the reason you haven't heard of me is probably because I'm new and have only been on the server for a week or so. But I do talk in OOC a lot and chat with a lot of people. You probably don't know who I am because you don't notice low lvls much or don't care. I've been very active in OOC and in the community so you must be hiding in solb waiting on naggy or something [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]