Vox PUG starting 6/14/10 - Page 5

Aadill · #41 06-14-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just find it funny I've accrued enough haters that I could write a 12 track rap album called "Ballin' on y'all"

Perhaps you can finally pursue your professional music career [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as your PUG raid goes: I have nothing against it. If you create a raid force and maintain claim to the mob per the current rules of the server, then you are a god among men (the men that play video games). If you disobey the rules, then don't expect much, broham.

As far as you personally: You are *too* willing to grief people. You let it be openly known that you will grief any and all. Considering your stance on "making it like live," you appear to be training people without reason other than your own personal contempt. This is not included in your vision of wanting particular camps or doing whatever, and is in fact an attack directly on people that may or may not have ever been involved in the original writing of the rules as they stand today. I do not agree with that because not only do you go so far as to grief people but then call them out when they request that GMs remove you as they are following the rules as they exist and you are not.

Stickyfingers · #42 06-14-2010, 02:48 PM

Do it! IB and DA are mostly assclowns anyhow, so seeing them cry would be amazing.

Auchae · #43 06-14-2010, 02:49 PM

Give him a shot at it. He obviously isn't all about grief if he made it to 50.

*gasp* Maybe he wants phat lewt, too?

Aadill · #44 06-14-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there's some double standards going on in general. It's okay, for instance, for DA/IB to play weasel words over rules with one another, but not when one or more individuals tries to do the same in relationship to the establishment?

There have not been any 'weasel words' being tossed about between the guilds. If anything, the rules are being followed to the letter as closely as possible. Granted, this is through my perception and I may be wrong on this.

If any one does try to weasel through the rules I'll gladly point them to this thread and your post as a call out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Abacabb · #45 06-14-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no problem with pick up groups. I participated in many of them on live. I encourage it. If you consider your PUG raid as "outside of the server rules", then you are wrong about that.

The rules the GMs wrote don't include the "fuck you" loopholes that the guilds made for each other.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2670

We have the force, we're not questioning that... We are questioning the fact that they'll try to strong arm by saying we are not a collective guild when it comes down to it, so because the top guilds will call us out on that we're not going to abide by the timers and calls

pickled_heretic · #46 06-14-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There have not been any 'weasel words' being tossed about between the guilds. If anything, the rules are being followed to the letter as closely as possible. Granted, this is through my perception and I may be wrong on this.

If any one does try to weasel through the rules I'll gladly point them to this thread and your post as a call out [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You misunderstand. The literal interpretation that both guilds have adopted of the rules is basically the same as abacab interpreting the rules literally to mean (mostly) only guilds, right? You're advocating a literal interpretation and strict enforcement, yes? how is what abacab proposing not also a literal interpretation of the rules?

**nilbog** · #47 06-14-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have the force, we're not questioning that... We are questioning the fact that they'll try to strong arm by saying we are not a collective guild when it comes down to it, so because the top guilds will call us out on that we're not going to abide by the timers and calls

When it comes to deciding what is considered a raid force, guilds do not have that authority.

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Q: What is a raid force?
A: For technicalities sake we will define a raid force as a gathering of 15+ people.

As you see, your concern isn't needed. Your raid has the same opportunities as their guild raids.

Don't break the server rules.

Yoite · #48 06-14-2010, 02:57 PM

ok i see what yall are all arguing about. But ya, Ab, Nilbog found the post where it states for clarity sake a raid "force" is 15 people, guild or no. I'd still love to help but i dont see why our PUG force is any different than a guild force expect we wont all have the same tags above our head.

i dont think we get any kind of immunity b/c we're a PUG

Gorgetrapper · #49 06-14-2010, 03:01 PM

Yes we all understand that a 15 man "group" is considered a raid force.

Black and white, that's it, 15 people, you have a raid.

Those are the SERVER rules however, all the other "rules" are just guidelines between the guilds so that the GMs don't have to sort out a fuckfest (which they already do anyway so there is no difference).

The 'rules' are there yes, but that will NOT stop the top two raiding guilds to try and pull something in their favor like they try to do to each other. There is no difference in this situation.

pickled_heretic · #50 06-14-2010, 03:03 PM

"raid force" and "guild" are now synonyms for the purposes of determining raid rules?