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Old 01-28-2024, 02:15 AM
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Ha. You clearly dont fucking understand the troll.
Also you fully fail to understand the adult mind.

Both of those things are ok.
I was just trying to help you. But you clearly dont need help.
Please. Continue.
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Old 01-28-2024, 02:21 AM
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Old 01-28-2024, 02:26 AM
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Ha. You clearly dont fucking understand the troll.
Also you fully fail to understand the adult mind.

Both of those things are ok.
I was just trying to help you. But you clearly dont need help.
Please. Continue.
The reality is quite simple. When you stop troll posting, the people calling you out for trolling stop posting too. You are the cause of the problem, and you are the one who can fix it. I am not forcing you to post nonsense.
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Old 01-28-2024, 05:08 AM
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Yes you are. So there. You stop and I will. Infinity plus one.
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Old 01-28-2024, 11:56 AM
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DSM will label anyone who disagrees with him a troll. Now, I'm not sure if he sincerely believes it or if it's just a defensive stunt he pulls when he's at a loss on what else to say or backed in a corner.

Devils Advocate: He sincerely believes it.

How do you actually deal with a troll? You ignore the troll.

https://www.esafety.gov.au/young-people/trolling

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Trolling is when someone deliberately tries to upset others online.
Trolling can lead to a pile on, when others join in the attack.
Don’t feed the trolls – responding is likely to make things worse. Report the abuse instead.
Unfortunately, DSM's definition of trolling falls somewhere between
-Anyone who disagrees with me
-Anyone who agrees with someone who I disagree with
-Anyone who makes fun of me for how I behave/think/post on the internet or the status of the threads where I am an active participant

By that definition ... everyone else WILL be troll, because most intelligent adults will meet one of those 3 criteria.
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Old 01-28-2024, 12:09 PM
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As an aside, in my first post in running the math found here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=416

I was assuming a level 56 shaman. This would imply use of Canni III. When I later flexed to accommodate DSM's specific parameters we were discussing a level 58 shaman hunting 7khp mobs. I never adjusted for Canni III being less efficient and giving about 10% less mana returns compared to Canni IV.

So let's give the shaman not using JBB 10% greater mana returns on regen hp recovered (and thus converted to mana).

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=430

Instead of 720 surplus mana from Canni III, You're looking at ~800 mana from Canni IV. This leaves the 58 shaman not using JBB with closer to 300 mana surplus net at the end of the fight @ 188 seconds. This is more than enough to compensate for the slow/root from each fight and more or less all buff refreshes required over the course of the xp session (pet haste/regen, self regen, etc).

Sorry for overlooking this earlier.

EDIT ADDENDUM: All of which supports my previous posts (most recent here: https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=410 ). A notion which DSM said was factually false and could be disproven with napkin math.
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Old 01-28-2024, 12:13 PM
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DSM will label anyone who disagrees with him a troll.
As usual, Troxx has no evidence to support his claim I call people trolls who do not deserve to be called trolls. He has a proven track record of making up lies and strawmen about other posters to try and discredit them.

I do have evidence of Troxx being a troll in this very thread:

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More trolling and flailing from Troxx when he loses an argument. Typical.

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Instead of 720 surplus mana from Canni III, You're looking at ~800 mana from Canni IV. This leaves the 58 shaman not using JBB with closer to 300 mana surplus net at the end of the fight @ 188 seconds. This is more than enough to compensate for the slow/root from each fight and more or less all buff refreshes required over the course of the xp session (pet haste/regen, self regen, etc).
You do not have a 300 mana surplus. This is incorrect. Your previous post https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=430 was missing a number of spells from the calculation like slow and Regrowth for your pet lol, but you were assuming the mob was slowed and your pet had Regen anyway. You also did not properly take into account the mana you lose from missing sitting ticks while casting spells. This is the actual amount of mana you are spending per fight:

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- 2x Envenomed Bolt (2665 Damage) + 1x Plague (1270 Damage) + Hasted and Regened Pet (17 DPS) = ~37.2 DPS when factoring in DoTs will not be active for the full fight
- 1426 HP recovered from Sitting Regen (16 HP) + Fungi Tunic (15 HP) + Regrowth (15 HP) over 31 ticks
- 651 Mana recovered from Sitting Regen (21 Mana) over 31 ticks
- 640 Mana spent on 2x Envenomed Bolts
- 300 Mana spent on 1x Plague
- 175 Mana spent on 1x Togor's Insects
- 30 Mana spent on 1x Root
- 100 Mana and 30 HP spent due to losing 5 Sitting Regen ticks while casting the 5 spells above
- 69 Mana spent on overhead from casting Regen on Pet 4x per hour
- 485 damage taken to pet (1880 damage - 1395 regenerated from 45 HP a tick)
- 175 Mana spent on Chloroblast for pet to counter the damage above

Total HP Gained: 1396
Total Mana Spent: 838
Total Fight Time: 188 seconds
I added the 30 HP lost instead of subtracted it actually, which lowers your total HP saved. Taking that into account here.

Using Cannibalize 4 instead of Cannibalize 3 would result in -84 HP and -18 mana at the end of the fight. You would still need 1 extra tick of meditation to make up for that 18 mana. If you want to rightfully claim that you can miss that tick and pull the next mob, the JBB Shaman can do the same. This means the JBB Shaman is now 6 seconds faster.

I use Cannibalize 3 istead of 4 before Torpor because the faster cast speed makes canni dancing easier. You are less likely to miss the server tick or fail due to a fizzle.

Troxx is still wrong, JBB is better factually speaking for leveling from 45-60 over root/rotting without Epic https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=476 .
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Old 01-28-2024, 12:47 PM
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I've never had a hard time missing a canni-dance tick with Canni IV. Since it hits as hard as you do, you don't even have to do it constantly in this instance - only about 50% of the ticks.
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Old 01-28-2024, 12:50 PM
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I've never had a hard time missing a canni-dance tick with Canni IV. Since it hits as hard as you do, you don't even have to do it constantly in this instance - only about 50% of the ticks.
I see you still didn't address the fact that you missed multiple spells in your calculation to get the "300 mana surplus". Cannibalize has a higher fizzle rate in general, and you can only cast 1 cannibalize 4 per tick with the cast/recast time. This means you are sometimes slower at canni dancing in a specific time period.
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Old 01-28-2024, 01:03 PM
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and when you have 188seconds (30 ticks) seconds to cannibalize 1400hp (10 casts) ...

it is not an issue
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