Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vandy]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it?

And you looked through Afterlife's archives please show me this too because I raided with Afterlife. Again prove it. Your word is shit here Tassle. As I said, this is your thread, you have the burden of proof.

Mith Marr was a cutthroat server. Anyone from Mith Marr that plays on P99 can attest to that. Why do you think Cats and Hats left the server? Now dont get me wrong. Afterlife did some stuff to make the community happy. Open Hate/Fear raids for free loots. But when it came to contested mobs it was get the hell out the way or get ran over. Aka VP training.

I know one of the original co-leaders of CiH and I also played on Mith Marr at the time. He told me that they butted heads with AL consistently on VS and Trak but transferred off the server before anyone even went into VP and there was no such training.

[Nirgon]

Rename rants and flames to:

Rants, Flames and 20+ page whines

[Wrei]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You must have missed the FE boat when they went into VP, guess you didn't hear. They killed Druushk with the same rules implemented now. As far as dedication and motivation to stick it out and keep getting kills is another story. And the whole "they have more trainers then us" is complete bullshit. FE in there prime had a shit ton of them. Proof is in the pudding - skill over numbers.

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So in short, Rogean seems to say it isn't like live and we implemented training cause I don't have to explain myself to you guys (or have my judgement questioned) but open to changes if warranted. Sirken seems to favour Darwinism to take place, fight fire with fire and earn respect by being bigger douches than TMO.

Instead of logically trying to explain how it's better one way or another, it would be nice to have a server poll started by the server staff (to prevent trolling) that asks everyone if they are happy with the current raiding rules/policies. If the server sits at 50/50 then status quo should be preserved. If there is however an overwhelming side towards changes another poll should then be started regarding "viable" alternative rules.

I say viable, because it's clear this is still a privately run emu and not all options would be realistically available (especially those that require increased moderation or coding modifications). If the server staff isn't even willing to do that then one of the players should start the thread here. Those who are passionate about changes should then spread the word through word of mouth on the server and keep the poll running for about a week. Anything over 500+ responses should be pretty legitimate. If that doesn't prompt changes from the staff then I doubt very little would change the policy. At that point you just need to get with the program or GTFO.

Each side has their own arguments with its own flaws and merits. This shouldn't be arguing pointlessly about who is right but more about if people are happy playing under current conditions.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by p-niner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Tassellhoff sounds like a REAL SWELL CRYBABY

P99 is more like
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[HeallunRumblebelly]

Just as long as sleeper's isn't like this we can just forget the zone in say...6 months? :3

[Elizabetha]

It's just a shame that training is employed. I understand the circumstances that make folks treat each other like dirt over nothing. It's a shame.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Wrei [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Come on that IS funny [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So in short, Rogean seems to say it isn't like live and we implemented training cause I don't have to explain myself to you guys (or have my judgement questioned) but open to changes if warranted. Sirken seems to favour Darwinism to take place, fight fire with fire and earn respect by being bigger douches than TMO.

Instead of logically trying to explain how it's better one way or another, it would be nice to have a server poll started by the server staff (to prevent trolling) that asks everyone if they are happy with the current raiding rules/policies. If the server sits at 50/50 then status quo should be preserved. If there is however an overwhelming side towards changes another poll should then be started regarding "viable" alternative rules.

I say viable, because it's clear this is still a privately run emu and not all options would be realistically available (especially those that require increased moderation or coding modifications). If the server staff isn't even willing to do that then one of the players should start the thread here. Those who are passionate about changes should then spread the word through word of mouth on the server and keep the poll running for about a week. Anything over 500+ responses should be pretty legitimate. If that doesn't prompt changes from the staff then I doubt very little would change the policy. At that point you just need to get with the program or GTFO.

Each side has their own arguments with its own flaws and merits. This shouldn't be arguing pointlessly about who is right but more about if people are happy playing under current conditions.

The best human entertainment comes from conquering something you perceive to be greater than yourself or by strife. If there wasn't competition for mates/resources/whatever humanity would die of boredom. Due to scarcity some percentage of humanity will always be unhappy(provided scarcity exists forever). So doing a poll on whether or not people are happy is really a moot point. This is a raid scarcity server... people will be unhappy if what they want is raids. Just like people were un-happy in leveling zones the past week when so many more people were exping.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there wasn't competition for mates/resources/whatever humanity would die of boredom.

Which is what would happen if the GM's gave in to a re-distribution of wealth motive for "leveling the playing field" by making the acquisition of hand-outs easier.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is what would happen if the GM's gave in to a re-distribution of wealth motive for "leveling the playing field" by making the acquisition of hand-outs easier.

It's not a hand out

It's about not being a dick.

There is a difference.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a hand out

It's about not being a dick.

There is a difference.

This.


I don't get why people think sanctioned training in VP creates some kind of mega-competitive atmosphere. Most of the VP keyed players don't even want to waste their time zoning into VP just to get trained by a bunch of griefers. It simply isn't worth their time and being able to train/countertrain is not difficult. In fact its nothing more than typing /target assholetrainingmonkornecro and /spam bladestopper. WOW, THAT IS SO HARD TO DO GUYS. Why should we have to derail trains to have a shot at legitimately killing a dragon? How does this make sense? How is this classic? What is the logic behind it?

The point is training shouldn't be allowed, it wasn't on live. It ruins more people's fun than it provides for the select few who are able to train. Look at the poll numbers, they likely speak volumes about how the raiders on this server feel about this situation.