Mages are up shit’s creek I guess

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Hagglebaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol so here’s my latest update on the subject. I’ve gotten a drop or two of pet words in groups, and the groups have been cool about mages need before greeding them. Many nights I’ve gone entire sessions without seeing a word drop though.

Alright so just play the game I figure, others are doing the same and you can trade/buy the words. LOL well that’s been interesting. Players are learning they have mages by the balls with how things are currently and robbing people blind on prices for pet words. They know we literally cannot get our new pets, any of them, without these words, and man are they jacking up prices.

To any mages not yet in the post 20 situation, here is what you can generally expect. Any research words you come across will be consumed by you, as you need to make every pet again as part of the next pet. You will never have enough just from your own adventuring unless you get extremely lucky on drops and don’t fail combines. I recommend being in a good guild and networking/making friends to help alleviate this if it’s not something you do naturally anyways. Expect to be robbed blind when you attempt to purchase these words from other players.

Good luck.

LMAO! Seriously man? One of the longest-running EC Fatcats on Blue is fucking complaining that he has to buy Mage Pet research components on a brand new server? REALLY bro?

Couple months from now you're gonna be in EC buying/selling everything you can and jacking up the prices on EVERYTHING. Get over it man.

[Vizax_Xaziv]

Originally Posted by Palemoon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Throw a garbage pet on one of the mobs: there you just "rooted" and "CCed" that mob until it wears off (pet dies). Nuke like a wiz with your bolt spells in the mean time on other mobs.

classic

What? An earth pet 7 levels lower than the mob it's fighting isnt going to be landing any root spells and it's going to die in just a handful of attack rounds. At a cost of hundreds of mana.

That would be a completely moronic way to play a Mage.

[Erati]

when do all the pets get placed on vendors again, what was the patch note?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when do all the pets get placed on vendors again, what was the patch note?

They don't ever get all put on vendors. Only a couple per spell circle become vendorable.

I remember having to research pets on blue for my own magician.

Iirc the patchnotes that introduced high level vendor pets also trebbled drop rates for mage research.

[Dolalin]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when do all the pets get placed on vendors again, what was the patch note?

May 24, 1999.

"New Magician spells on vendors and some Magician spells have moved to different vendors"

https://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes#May_24.2C_1999

Verant as usual wasn't too descriptive of what they did, but the newsgroup threads told the tale. See the bug thread I authored for evidence.

Most of these early patch notes were lost to the sands of time until about a month or two ago when I started digging them up, so that's why this stuff is coming as a surprise to a lot of people.

[Hagglebaron]

Originally Posted by Vizax_Xaziv [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LMAO! Seriously man? One of the longest-running EC Fatcats on Blue is fucking complaining that he has to buy Mage Pet research components on a brand new server? REALLY bro?

Couple months from now you're gonna be in EC buying/selling everything you can and jacking up the prices on EVERYTHING. Get over it man.

As I said earlier, most of my time in the tunnel was spent running a casino, and the trading I did do wasn’t rampant price gouging.

What I did do was give away over one hundred thousand plat throughout various forum story contests, newbie trivia’s, hand outs and other events. I did countless free trustworthy transfers for people and almost never had a negative interaction with anyone. If you go through my contests, giveaways and business threads in my thread history you will see literally nothing but me helping people and/or providing people good service through their reviews.

You might want do a little research (get it?) before speaking on a subject in the future.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by TheRusty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But... it's not broken. That's the part you can't wrap your head around.

In the live version, the code itself was busted. You could combine all day long every day and it would just eat your materials, because there was no flag saying "this combine makes this item."

That's not the case on P99, unless you want to claim that the admin here specifically went in to un-tag all these combines. Considering all the numerous Titanium-era artifacts we still have in "classic" because removing the code is too much work, I'm going to go on a limb and suggest that this is very unlikely.

The combines work. because our base client is one where the bug had been fixed for five years.

Your problem is that the drops are not very common, and the competition for those drops is very high, and combine success rate is spotty, because lol tradeskills.

The pets WILL be put on vendors eventually, since that's patch progression. In the meantime, you get to farm mats and do combines.

Just like everyone else who wants a piece of equipment has to do.



Yeah bruh, I only read playboy for the articles too.

Long post from someone that doesn't understand it didn't work in classic and 29+ doesn't work on green.

Disregarding that p1999 drop tables weren't adjusted, because it was broken in original and reviewing drop tables takes a lot of time / info that isn't available.

[Glasken]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 character levels above the spell level itself. So character level 26 to trivial train research to trivial for level 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors, the unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their pet spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 level above the spell level itself. So 26 to trivial train 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors. The unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

So necros are undesired in groups, yet you are always in a group, and mages should learn to group?

Because necros have to research important spells?

Going to report your post, I don't think you've played Everquest, ever.

[Glasken]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So necros are undesired in groups, yet you are always in a group, and mages should learn to group?

Because necros have to research important spells?

Going to report your post, I don't think you've played Everquest, ever.

Always in a group, because we have pre-made groups. Or guilds. Or, you know, friends [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I havn't played EQ before. Maybe I have.

Fight me.

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