Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a bad attempt at grasping for straws. This wasn't an example video showing peak Enchanter/Shaman play. The other group members weren't even 60. The Enchanter in question wasn't using rune, it seems like they were fairly new to either the game or the class.

You are basically using examples of lower skill players as evidence, which is silly.

My friend, it's your own video. Please, be kind to yourself!

Further, you are completely unable to refute the fact that the Shaman class, even if piloted by the best player in the world, would have been unable to prevent a wipe like the Cleric did in the second video. This is because Shamans simply DO NOT provide the same degree of support for a charming Enchanter that a Cleric does. It's clear and incontrovertible in the video. Everyone can see that you've been talking out of your rear end, I'm afraid. Your bluster and theorycrafting fall flat in the face of such overwhelmingly compelling evidence, which is why you must now concede to avoid further embarrassment.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My friend, it's your own video. Please, be kind to yourself!

Further, you are completely unable to refute the fact that the Shaman class, even if piloted by the best player in the world, would have been unable to prevent a wipe like the Cleric did in the second video. This is because Shamans simply DO NOT provide the same degree of support for a charming Enchanter that a Cleric does. It's clear and incontrovertible in the video. Everyone can see that you've been talking out of your rear end, I'm afraid. Your bluster and theorycrafting fall flat in the face of such overwhelmingly compelling evidence, which is why you must now concede to avoid further embarrassment.

Desparation and trolling. Tell me, is it a Shaman's fault that an upper 50s Enchanter does not use rune when attempting to start working on 4 mobs, before the encounter started? Th enchanter would be at like 40% health if they had used Rune V.

You were so excited to find a gotcha, you didn't actually watch the video.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Desparation and trolling. Tell me, is it a Shaman's fault that an upper 50s Enchanter does not use rune when attempting to start working on 4 mobs, before the encounter started? Th enchanter would be at like 50% health if they had used Rune V.

Let it be noted that the Enchanter in the second video was also not runed when charm broke, and that the Cleric was also a bit slow to react to the break, and yet they both still survived.

Clerics are simply much better at keeping Enchanters alive when charm breaks at an inopportune moment (as it inevitably will over even a modest duration grind session, regardless if Malo is used). Everyone who has played a good amount of EQ recognizes this fact intuitively, except you, due to your bizarre obsession with the Shaman class. But now we have clear and incontrovertible video evidence that disproves your wild claims once and for all.

And now you must concede, apologize to the forum for continuing this ridiculous charade over the course of two years and 500 pages, put your Shaman on the shelf for a minimum of three months and commit to leveling a Cleric twink.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say otherwise. I said OP's group picked Shaman. You do realize OP asked about four classes, not one? The logic is that OP asked for advise about four classes, so they could pass this information on to the other three players.

OP can correct me if they didn't actually tell the group anything, but are you suggesting you believe that OP asked about four classes just so they could pick their own class without talking to the group?

You're claiming the OP's friend picked shaman because SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

Prove it

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're claiming the OP's friend picked shaman because SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

Prove it

I didn't claim it. I stated the fact that a Shaman was picked, and that OP probably provided the informatiom they got from this thread. You can logically see what might have hapoened from there.

As I said, OP is free to correct this if it is wrong. The only one with the claim is yourself. You are claiming they just picked the class they liked. You need to prove it.

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't claim it. I stated the fact that a Shaman was picked, and that OP probably provided the informatiom they got from this thread. You can logically see what might have hapoened from there.

As I said, OP is free to correct this if it is wrong. The only one with the claim is yourself. You are claiming they just picked the class they liked. You need to prove it.

You made assumptions based on zero evidence

Maybe they just liked shaman better out of preference for play style

It doesn't mean you convinced them SHM / ENC is better than CLR / ENC

What's hilarious is that is literally the only possible convert you are desperately clinging to

2 years of absolute failure. Sucks to be you.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let it be noted that the Enchanter in the second video was also not runed when charm broke, and that the Cleric was also a bit slow to react to the break, and yet they both still survived.

Clerics are simply much better at keeping Enchanters alive when charm breaks at an inopportune moment (as it inevitably will over even a modest duration grind session, regardless if Malo is used). Everyone who has played a good amount of EQ recognizes this fact intuitively, except you, due to your bizarre obsession with the Shaman class. But now we have clear and incontrovertible video evidence that disproves your wild claims once and for all.

And now you must concede, apologize to the forum for continuing this ridiculous charade over the course of two years and 500 pages, put your Shaman on the shelf for a minimum of three months and commit to leveling a Cleric twink.

The scenario was different. These two videos do not show the exact same situation.

The Enchanter I was playing with got hit by two mobs at the same time, was lower level, should have been using rune for the situation, and probably had worse gear compared to a Riot Enchanter. In your video, the Enchanter was taking damage from one mob in the beginning, and the Cleric had more time to react.

You also forget the Enchanter survived in my video too. They simply didn't use Rune, which is why they were so low.

Again, this is just desparate.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You made assumptions based on zero evidence.

No, that was you:

Originally Posted by Elizondo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Class preference over optimization. EQ Happens.

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Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I submit the following videos as clear and indisputable evidence that Enchanter/Shaman is inferior to Enchanter/Cleric. In this first video, at 1:55, we find DSM grouped with two Enchanters in HS. Things take a turn for the worse when charm breaks unexpectedly, and contrary to DSM's insistence that a Shaman can easily help an Enchanter recover from a bad break, we see that DSM's Enchanter is at 3% health before he can even get a heal off, and is only saved because the other Enchanter landed a last second mez!




In contrast, I found the following video of a random Enchanter/Cleric duo in HS. At 57 minutes, we see the Enchanter suffer a very ill-timed charm break just as she is pulling, compounded by some repops. It's almost a worst case scenario, but as we can see, the Cleric not only has a stun and burst healing to help the Enchanter survive, but is able to leverage the power of CH to keep the golem pet alive through a very hairy situation. Needless to say, a Shaman would have been absolutely hopeless in this scenario.



This is not theorycraft or mere idle speculation, these are real gameplay videos, one of which features the very antagonist of this thread himself! And now, DSM, with such incontrovertible evidence before you, I demand that you concede.

lol


owned

Edit: and yeah watching that situation … you are a pretty shitty shaman. Rule number one of playing with a charming chanter is to keep them at full health. Rule 2 is to stop everything else you are doing and heal or help them immediately.

Your judgement and reaction times are shit