End of the rotation?

[towbes]

I finally made it to the end of this thread and I still am not sure what I believe. But thanks for helping me waste an hour of work time!

+1

[Throndor]

How can 3/10 guilds disband the rotation? Why don't the other 7 of you just say we have a majority vote that says the rotation is still intact. Failing to continue to abide by previously agreed upon rotation is a violation of the rotation agreement you entered into and as such is grounds for raid suspension per GM reinforced Class R Raid policies.

You're in class R, you chose to be in Class R, there's no other choice but to move up to class C or fade into obscurity. How does 3/10 guild decision to opt-out of the agreed upon raid nuances constitute a ruling vote for the dissolution of the Class R raid rotation entirely, and if the CLass R raid rotation was made to ensure an equitable distribution than how does it justify its continued existence while violating the premise upon which it was created?

If you dissolve the rotation, you dissolve the tier entirely and the server is 100% class C. Otherwise ur just saying you deserve to quarantine 33% of the raid content from TMO and IB to split amongst the three of you, and to hell with the other 7 guilds upon which the rotation was founded to support.

[Fianna]

Throndor, while the class system (C,R,FFA) is GM enforced, the rotation in R is not. Basically BDA, Taken and Divinity are saying if the other guilds do not agree, they will just kill everything in R themselves.

[Culkasi]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get - the gap between R and C suddenly became significantly shorter, without making R nearly as cutthroat as C is.

Anyway, its been a very sad week, and I appreciate that to many people on the server its a good laugh - but we have collectively worked very hard for this in the past year, and like anything good, its sad to see it dissolve, for whatever reason, and see much of the hard work put into building relationships and making it work be tossed aside because we can't find a common ground.

[Fanguru]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get - the gap between R and C suddenly became significantly shorter, without making R nearly as cutthroat as C is.

TMO and IB have no say in the matter.
Also there are still lockouts in class-R, so BDA and Taken would not get all the mobs.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get

I think that's a good point. If R fully collapsed I think the C guilds will be coming for dem pixels and we'd be back to the 'wild west'. How would they expect the GMs to enforce a class that doesn't exist anymore, I wonder?

"guys wait, it's still a rotation... but its FFA" - makes no sense whatsoever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question is perhaps whether BDA/Taken/Divinity will risk going down that road. Most likely all 10 guilds lose because pals who used to run the show want pixels for their alts.

Interested to see where this goes, I don't think they've thought it through.

[Fanguru]

You do not understand the situation, Throndor.

The rotation is a player-made agreement, it is not GM-enforced and GMs have said numerous times they do not like the rotation and feel class R guilds should compete among themselves.

The current system does not "ensure an equitable distribution" since small guilds can currently ally themselves, making one kill force with 2 or 3 guilds, yet keeping 2 or 3 turns in the rotation.

BDA, Taken and Divinity don't want to prevent smaller guilds from killing mobs, they want to encourage alliances and mergers within smaller guilds.

[thieros]

class R cant kill vp mobs. so nahhhh

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also there are still lockouts in class-R, so BDA and Taken would not get all the mobs.

Assuming the rotation still exists of course. If it collapses, what then? Everything would (should) be FFA, and we'll all see less.

There seems to be a lot of banking on the fact that we'd still have a 2 tier system if there isn't an agreement on this proposal. Would BDA/Taken/Divinity be asking for protection from TMO/IB when they get on their horses to go raiding?

Interesting times...

[Fanguru]

Your inability to understand the situation is baffling.

GMs enforce C/R/FFA.
As far as GMs are concerned, R is basically FFA without TMO/IB and with lockouts.

The rotation in R is a player agreement.
GMs said numerous times they do not like the rotation and prefer competition.
The C/R/FFA system does not rely on the current R rotation.

If the rotation falls, the C/R/FFA system continues.
Anyone in R can take down a R target provided they do not have a lockout on this target.

The only way things completely change is if GMs make a 180° and go back on their positions.
Velious release could also change things with Kunark targets.