The Sleeper to be awoken tonight in Rampage's final raid.

[Kluwen1]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your pretty dumb if you think its not autofire, anyone with scripting knowledge can see that it is. He clearly pre-targets, goes off screen to enable said script,(heres the important part), his cursor then SNAPS back to the EQ screen showing the script is now in control. The script then proceeds to wait for the "you have been summoned" text and IMMEDIATLEY engages the spam, the script then looks for the "Statue engages message" and IMMEDIATELY stops. I understand some of u just look at the video and say "O he only spammed the key 7 times that cant be autofire!?!?" sadly it is look for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zloUxaRT4ac

Its funny how one sided Sirken is, if hes going to suspend Detoxx's wizard for some questionable fraps then surely Hokushin and Mahavishnu should have been suspended for using autofire on Cekenar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJKo2QpKZc

[Docx]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its funny how one sided Sirken is, if hes going to suspend Detoxx's wizard for some questionable fraps then surely Hokushin and Mahavishnu should have been suspended for using autofire on Cekenar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJKo2QpKZc

My favorite part about this is how Hoku uses his gate pot o wait no, I mean he used his discipline! Nope not that either, how about him moving.... At all.... Wait no not that either. I wonder could it be he had a macro spamming the fuck with /target and using an ability or timed macro throwing his fucking javelin? Sirken ps dick has been sucked off more than enough from Hoku and rampage so nothing will ever come of it and their penalties and suspensions were pathetic.

Kets I never heard back on your opinion on this video? You've know my stance I'd still love to hear yours.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Kluwen1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its funny how one sided Sirken is, if hes going to suspend Detoxx's wizard for some questionable fraps then surely Hokushin and Mahavishnu should have been suspended for using autofire on Cekenar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJKo2QpKZc

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about. I mean, they COULD have been autofiring but the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

The Detoxx autofire fraps aren't 100% clear either, IMO, but you can see that he fills two chatboxes with spam in less than a second. That simply isn't possible with keyboard spamming. Try it yourself.

Anyway, I tried for 2 years to get the GMs to implement a respawn system rather than FTE/COH idiocy and failed. I believe Sirken was in favor but Rogean didn't want to give up control. It would make raiding on this server WAY more fun, but it's just not going to happen.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? 1. It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about. I mean, they COULD have been autofiring but the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

The Detoxx autofire fraps aren't 100% clear either, IMO, but you can see that he fills two chatboxes with spam in less than a second. 2. That simply isn't possible with keyboard spamming. Try it yourself.

Anyway, I tried for 2 years to get the GMs to implement a respawn system rather than FTE/COH idiocy and failed. I believe Sirken was in favor but Rogean didn't want to give up control. It would make raiding on this server WAY more fun, but it's just not going to happen.

1. No it looks nothing like a Noble engage. Hokushin pulls aggro and his automation throws a jav. He isn't as his keyboard at the time and dies instead of hitting a gate potion,discing,or FD'ing. He just randomly chose to throw a Jav.

2. Yes you can. Very easily.

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about.

I have (without AF) won a 100 man Noble FTE in the past, contested late window RF click fests, etc. My technique on spam clicking is fine. I live in the NE as well with very low ping. There are a handful of other FA members in that screenshot that I know use the right spam technique. There is just no possible way that Hoku and Cal can start their casting spell graphic in unison 1/4 seconds before any of us even moved. It's as clear cut AF as I can imagine. Ask any Asgardian who was in vent when these fraps were first being discussed. Before I watched them I was trying to talk everybody off the ledge because it most likely was impossible to prove. Then I watched the fraps.

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

I've heard that this is an actual opinion that you guys countered with when we called you on AF originally. I lost a lot of respect for you guys when I found out this thought actually inhabited your collective brains.

A&W cream soda.

[Endonde]

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have (without AF) won a 100 man Noble FTE in the past, contested late window RF click fests, etc. My technique on spam clicking is fine. I live in the NE as well with very low ping. There are a handful of other FA members in that screenshot that I know use the right spam technique. There is just no possible way that Hoku and Cal can start their casting spell graphic in unison 1/4 seconds before any of us even moved. It's as clear cut AF as I can imagine. Ask any Asgardian who was in vent when these fraps were first being discussed. Before I watched them I was trying to talk everybody off the ledge because it most likely was impossible to prove. Then I watched the fraps.



I've heard that this is an actual opinion that you guys countered with when we called you on AF originally. I lost a lot of respect for you guys when I found out this thought actually inhabited your collective brains.

A&W cream soda.

As far as the whole you can't spam that fast, you absolutely can, as far as your technique is concerned based off what Lazie, and other have said it isn't optimal and is probably why you lost the jav spam competitions, but based off that fraps from Detoxx I don't think his clicking speed was what got him the autofire suspension.

As far as the getting Cekenar into summoning range thing is concerned, it looks fairly clear that a decent amount of F/A went to attack Cekenar after Rampage had gotten FTE. Not saying your entire guilds tried to do it, but a decent amount of people went and attacked Cekenar for no real reason, I can only assume that their plan was to get it into summoning range to summon our FTE'er.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Endonde [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as the whole you can't spam that fast, you absolutely can, as far as your technique is concerned based off what Lazie, and other have said it isn't optimal and is probably why you lost the jav spam competitions.

As far as the getting Cekenar into summoning range thing is concerned, it looks fairly clear that a decent amount of F/A went to attack Cekenar after Rampage had gotten FTE. Not saying your entire guilds tried to do it, but a decent amount of people went and attacked Cekenar for no real reason, I can only assume that their plan was to get it into summoning range to summon our FTE'er.

I was around 50/50 with that technique. /shrug

Again it is down to ping and timing unless something outside the game mechanics is being used. No one person in those situations can consistently win. You want as many button pushes as possible to time when the mob spawns. The more you have and the more ways you can aggro the mob the better chance you have. Pets won a lot of FTE's in VP.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Lazie

You can bind 2 keys to any macro. You can also choose to mouse click the clicky at the same time. You can bind multiple things to one key. In the sit on spawn days in VP as a Monk I had a Brazier pet(/pet attack macro), /target macro, a clicky, and target npc all bound to 2 keys. DA idol and discs were bound to keys right next to it. My window spam was 4 times worse than what you saw in that fraps and I can guarantee you I didn't use anything that automated it.

How about you fraps yourself doing it. As I said, they might unban Omnia. I don't pretend to be an FTE jav spam master though, my attention span is way too short.

Originally Posted by Legday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is just no possible way that Hoku and Cal can start their casting spell graphic in unison 1/4 seconds before any of us even moved.

I don't think you understand how autofire works. I didn't bother to download the fraps and step through them frame by frame, but if your claim is true then it couldn't be autofire, which is incapable of generating a 1/4 second lead time (unless your guild, collectively, was hitting keys less than 4x per second, which seems very unlikely).

Originally Posted by Legday

I lost a lot of respect for you guys when I found out this thought actually inhabited your collective brains.

I mean, its impossible to prove intent, what exactly were you doing attacking it for 20 seconds?

[Legday]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, its impossible to prove intent, what exactly were you doing attacking it for 20 seconds?

I remember trying to explain in vent/ts how to bind 2 commands (clicky,target) to a single keyboard stroke, and spam that. It doesn't mean everybody took the advice. The method most people casually attempted was turn auto attack on and spam nearest target.

20 seconds is extreme. More like 3-4 seconds. There was so much text spam that people who used the auto attack method probably didn't see that Cal got FTE and just started wacking the dragon until it was called clearly in vent to stop.

I feel like this all very self explanatory. I'm confused why you think it was some evil plan to exploit summon mechanics and illegally (obviously illegal, would be petitioned and won by you) win a mob and get loot deleted and raid suspended?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, THIS is the vaunted Moosejaw fraps that you guys have been talking about? It looks like every noble engage ever. You can see about 5-10 of your players attack instantly as well. So Rampage had a 25-30% chance based on numbers alone, and Hokushin and Cal both live in the north east (very low ping) and have a few FTE tricks that you may not know about. I mean, they COULD have been autofiring but the only thing that fraps really proves is that Forsaken/Asgard tried to get Cekenar into summoning range by malleting him and then attacking him for 20 seconds.

The Detoxx autofire fraps aren't 100% clear either, IMO, but you can see that he fills two chatboxes with spam in less than a second. That simply isn't possible with keyboard spamming. Try it yourself.

Anyway, I tried for 2 years to get the GMs to implement a respawn system rather than FTE/COH idiocy and failed. I believe Sirken was in favor but Rogean didn't want to give up control. It would make raiding on this server WAY more fun, but it's just not going to happen.

1. Slow it down to .25x
2. 25 to 30% chance? Lol you're delusional. 50 FA, 2 Rampage on that spawn point.