Are you kidding me?

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Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sooo we're admitting that Rile spam can help you catch up if you're behind but refusing to admit it can push you into the lead once you hit the #1 spot? How does that logic work? Factioned racers can rile spam run for a LONG TIME before having to worry about hitting a DA idol.

Oh no someone put it more work than you and have one of a possible dozen advantages that these rules limit. All the current rules do is award classes with bind sight. Period. Are we going to call that unfair soon ? Idiots.

[Tewaz]

In the game of who has more free time on their hands. You will always lose. There is always someone without a job, in their mom's basement, and willing to stare at 17 year old elf quest for 20 hours a day.

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What casual guilds really want from us is for us to stop trying so hard.[/QUOTE]

It has been clearly established over a very long period of time now that there is no limit to how hard the neckbeard nerds will go to make sure they get pixels and no one else does. If it came out to "trying very hard gets us more pixels" no one would really mind, but unfortunately it is "trying INSANELY hard gets us ALL the pixels" instead. Historically, when people showed they could not be trusted not to take something to far beyond stupid lengths just to somehow make themselves believe they were superior to everyone else, devs would step in. This is how Time and later expansions got instanced, this is why WoW was made. Because there is no limit beyond these people.

If rules can bring it from "all the pixels" to just "more of the pixels", then rules will work. If not, then the server staff needs to step in and enforce something else. Or they can just do nothing, and we'll see how many FTEers and trackers are left by midsummer. I'm honestly morbidly curious.

The funniest thing is, as a caster main I don't even care. The server timeline ends before anything appears in game that can significantly differentiate me from anyone else. There's no focus effects and no AA. The best geared clerics in AM and Awakened can probably get off one, perhaps two more cheals at the extreme high end if FT is working properly now, someone has enough of it, and the fight goes on long enough, than I can. They don't heal for more, they don't heal faster, they don't heal more efficiently or anything else. Being the best is so fucking pointless as a caster even in the pitiful context of P1999, lol. I could see the allure of it for melees with those weapon ratios always increasing and the gear not quite to the level of maxing every melee stat yet, but for me? It's mindboggling to me that there are still people who care *that much* after what, six years now, of "being better". By now, even the dullest Phil McKracken should have figured it out by now.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are also prejudicial to anyone who doesn't naturally speak... I should just stop typing now because the rest of what I typed is so mindblowingly stupid I literally gave every single person who read it cancer

FTFY

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Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this implies that Blacks and other non-whites can't learn english, which is pretty fucking racist

How exactly? Naturally speaking English would imply you were born in the United States. Where is any race included in that comment? However a majority of non English speaking native people would suggest people from another country. Perhaps you should refrain from attaching race to comments that don't include skin tone.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Mistle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTFY

Says the racist deflecting from their own prejudices. I'm sorry that not everyone who plays p99 is from the U.S. And some of them may not speak English as well as you would like. However making fun of them for it is pretty much you demonstrating your prejudices

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sound like you are new to EQ. I'm not going to make this response too long because it's probably way over your head anyway.

Throw random stuff, hope something sticks! Time honored classic.

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A/A has been winning the mobs since inception. The guild names are different but its still the same core people who learned from each other. From TR to IB to TMO to Forsaken to Rampage and everything in-between.

Yep, they have always had the most no life neckbeards to ensure pixel superiority, and once you have it, it snowballs because having it makes keeping it easier. I take it you were never perceptive enough to notice this? Glad I could educate you a bit then!

Last comment, unrelated but just wanted to point it out - calling people kiddo and neck-beard when you don't know who they are, makes you sound stupid. It's a comment someone who was 6 when EQ was released would say or just someone who never grew up.

And yet you quickly leap to Maner's defense despite having done exactly the same thing first! Don't worry, I won't tell anyone you're a hypocrite if you don't. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know you won't listen because you think you have an answer for everything but......I wouldn't mind the raid rules getting changed just so I could have a good laugh at your expense when it doesn't pan out the way you thought.

I don't really need to worry about it, it already has. Even under half sane conditions (not fully sane because still 16 hour variance, but not having to sit racers against 20+ other people), my guild routinely holds its own in FTEs. Sorry to burst another one of your bubbles!

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also if you were playing and beating this game when I was a kiddo, you should have no problem knowing raid mechanics and coming on a live stream.

Maybe? Who knows? Since you've never actually managed to establish relevance by showing how I am costing my guild mobs by a lack of mechanical knowledge, who cares? Without that, you're nothing more than the pigeon knocking over the chesspieces, shitting on the board, and strutting around like you won. We might as well settle it by a streetrace for all the relevance it has. Lol

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Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says the racist deflecting from their own prejudices. I'm sorry that not everyone who plays p99 is from the U.S. And some of them may not speak English as well as you would like. However making fun of them for it is pretty much you demonstrating your prejudices

[Mistle]

My apologies for replying late, a non shitpost deserved proper quoting.

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While long variance and making life sacrifices for pixels is ridiculous, history shows us that even if the casual guilds work something out... within that a certain guild will probably tow the line for a while before thinking "actually, we can get more for ourselves now that this has been set up".

So in essence, give the dog a bone and it won't share for longer than necessary.

Of course the guild in question should be able to take down the target, but what the server has no consideration for is patience, to let these guilds learn encounters in order to beat them.

That's where Moonlight Crusaders and Supremacy met their end. BDA decide that casual guilds who can't already do the content aren't worth keeping on the rotation...and therefore you get a stale raid scene with the same old same old guilds (with their ex-MC/Supremacy apps), same old raid leaders getting the same old pixels.

I think you mistake the motivations behind what happened. Now I don't want to open old wounds so CSG members, don't take this the wrong way, I love you guys and cheer when you get mobs. But back then, MC and other small guilds weren't the problem. The problem that the middle guilds had with the situation was the double dipping some guilds were engaging in. They had their spot in the rotation, but they were also using the small guilds to get a second whirl at the loot, by helping the small guilds and then taking the cream. There is nothing wrong with alliances and they should have been free to do this, to help small guilds like MC get raids in, but if they were going to help a raid, then that should count as their spot in the rotation. Instead they were pulling loot from both that spot and their OWN spot, while propping up a guild who shouldn't have been in the rotation for that mob yet.

If BDA had as evil motivations as you attribute to them, what they would have done instead of absorbing MC (partly) is ally with them instead, and any other small guild that couldn't do a mob on its own, and take some of the loot each time. They could have loaded the rotation that way. This is basically what other guilds were already starting to do.

The outcome was never considered the optimal solution. It was probably a mistake to suggest Gorenaire as the gatekeeper mob in the discussions to revamp the rotation as well, in hindsight, as that led to bad feelings from a lot of people including Sirken (but I was not a part of the discussion and maybe there were reasons to do so clearer in private). Personally, as someone who really dislikes all the stupid competitiveness in P99s raid scene as EQ has never been a game built for that sort of style, the whole thing was kind of a downer. But it is what it is, and we have moved on.

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would be good for the longevity of the raid scene on blue is letting the leveling guilds who want to raid.... raid.

You sadly can't trust the top end of the casual guilds not to dick on smaller "true" casual guilds, and that's why a rotation won't work.

And I think boiled down what most guilds below A/A really want is just a transformation to "more effort = more pixels" from the current "insane effort = all the pixels". BDA isn't pushing for a rotation, I am sure they would work with one if that is what the guilds of the server agreed to, but it's not the preferred solution I have seen suggested anywhere. I think BDA quite freely would admit that A/A deserve more loot than it does, probably significantly more, given current effort levels, and after all there are twice as many regular raiders in each of Aftermath and Awakened than BDA can muster so of course they will get more loot. What it does NOT like is the current required buyin to get any loot at all. Two hundred manhours, potentially, of effort for one mob is an unreasonable requirement to even get anything beyond a miracle sniff. So BDA limits itself to more reasonably contested mobs in VP and other non-ToV zones, waits patiently for the promised earthquakes to show up, and otherwise gets what it can during the hours it can muster worthwhile numbers.

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Jesus this Mistle guy really keeps going when he is on the mat doesn't he. Someone save him from himself.