Mages are up shit’s creek I guess

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread makes me so happy. 50 pages of whining about research.

I'm playing a necro in a group with two mages. We are carrying them because we know they will get their pet spells as we churn content. Make friends, group. Profit.

Research is a seriously classic experience, embrace it.


Some ways to level research:
Train it.

Thats it. Your research spells become trivial about 2 character levels above the spell level itself. So character level 26 to trivial train research to trivial for level 24 spells. Rough estimate.

How can mages be effective with a pet 10 levels lower than themselves? Fire pet with damage shield. Nukes. Summoning sword of runes for pets that will currently proc on everything.

While mages are busy crying about their pets, shed a tear for the ungeared warriors, the unwanted wizards, or the necromancers who seem to be both undesired in groups AND have to research their pet spells.

And while you are crying those tears of self pity, fill your mind with thoughts of the true gods of classic: the enchanters, who have most of their toolkit without research, and who get pet spells from a vendor from lvl 1-50 whose only drawback is a lack of commands. Think of the enchanter, and you will finally have something to cry about.

Now go outside.

Enchanters are definitely super powerful, but idk if I would say they have most of their toolkit without research. They definitely get a ton of spells without research, but their slows, mem blurs, and aoe stuns past level 12 all require research, as does their pre-Kunark aoe mez. These are big ones for an Enchanter in a group setting, so I guess it depends on what you want to do with your Enchanter (although I think you could also argue the stuns are critical for a soloing Enchanter when charm breaks heh). Their top charm spell at 49 is also from research.

[derpcake2]

Originally Posted by Glasken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Always in a group, because we have pre-made groups. Or guilds. Or, you know, friends [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I havn't played EQ before. Maybe I have.

Fight me.

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Thanks for the offer, but people that practice martial arts aren't legally allowed to engage in conflict with mentally disabled people.

I hope you can resolve your eq status and mental issues soon.

Thots & prayers.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters are definitely super powerful, but idk if I would say they have most of their toolkit without research. They definitely get a ton of spells without research, but their slows, mem blurs, and aoe stuns past level 12 all require research, as does their pre-Kunark aoe mez. These are big ones for an Enchanter in a group setting, so I guess it depends on what you want to do with your Enchanter (although I think you could also argue the stuns are critical for a soloing Enchanter when charm breaks heh). Their top charm spell at 49 is also from research.

Yeah but they just research the spell. Magician have to research the complete spell line each time they want their spell. Still, its doable.

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by TheRusty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah bruh, I only read playboy for the articles too.

Good for you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[TheRusty]

Originally Posted by derpcake2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Long post from someone that doesn't understand it didn't work in classic and 29+ doesn't work on green.

Disregarding that p1999 drop tables weren't adjusted, because it was broken in original and reviewing drop tables takes a lot of time / info that isn't available.

Again. We're operating out of a modified titanium client. This is why there are still non-classic drops here and there (such as pieces for luclin-era newbie armor).

Your words are dropping. That's why people are gouging you on the prices, because they have them and you want them.

if you spent more time buying them, and less time whining that you deserve free handouts on the forums, you'd have your damn pet.

[Spock2020]

I notice a long time ago that there's people who are allergic to any tradeskilling.EQ try with many epics who need some even velious got a big 1 coldain but for some it's a big no no. What can we do.

[Nirgon]

Meanwhile, in Norrath.... there are lvl 30+ mages

[Obrae]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meanwhile, in Norrath.... there are lvl 30+ mages

Those who want to play mage will level to 50 without any problem, it's still a broken mechanic implemented for "selectively classic reasons".

We will work harder on a mechanic that make no senses, for no good reason. And we already had to make inexistant classic fix to make the broken mechanic work past the point where it had to do it at launch.

So to recap. To not lose face, to maintain a broken mechanic, P99 have made a fix that have never existed on live just so we can delay to real fix that happened on live for a couple of weeks.

Thats some serious "classic" shit right there.

P.S. All pets, all classes, still not on classic pet damage tables.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by TheRusty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again. We're operating out of a modified titanium client. This is why there are still non-classic drops here and there (such as pieces for luclin-era newbie armor).

Your words are dropping. That's why people are gouging you on the prices, because they have them and you want them.

if you spent more time buying them, and less time whining that you deserve free handouts on the forums, you'd have your damn pet.

Actually the client has nothing to do with server side stuff like mob populstions and drops. All of that had to be created from scratch.

So much stuff here is just the best possible approximation with the data available, which means copying live when there is no other source of data. And even copying live isn't easy; you can't just download mob populations/spawns/paths/quests from anywhere.

The amount of work that has gone into the server to make it as close an approximation of classic is tremendous. Of course there will be mistakes as there are no live or classic database to download, and much evidence of how things were are pretty well hidden.

[Lovebags]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's a thought: try using the research skill to make your own spells.

Its funny bc like lvl 24 pet words will drop from like lvl 30 mobs etc lol