sk starting points

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My only experience is vs Vox. More broadly is the typical group composition and role of raiding SK?

How would the buff window look?

Sorry, I am not 100% sure what you are asking. Can you clarify?

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry, I am not 100% sure what you are asking. Can you clarify?

Apart from ME/FoS what would a sk be wearing in buff window for typical raids. Will slots be left open for hot/bard/etc.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apart from ME/FoS what would a sk be wearing in buff window for typical raids. Will slots be left open for hot/bard/etc.

Oh if you are asking about the 15 buff slot limit, I have had plenty of people ask for the full suite, DEX + STR + STA + FoS. Different raid targets require different buffs, so you generally do not need every single good buff on you at all times.

There is no reason to have Poison and Disease Resist buffs on, for example, due to the rarity of mobs that actually use these spells. When fighting one of these rare mobs, the raid will make sure people are appropriately resist buffed first. They will not assume it has been a normal buff you have been asking for, like FoS or STA.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

As per usual, Toxigen is unable to counter simple points. I am sorry, but proclaiming you are correct without reason is not a valid debate strategy. It is just sad.

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If 5% dps doesn't matter for solo, then it doesn't matter in a group (ever had a mob gate on you at less than 5%?), and it certainly doesn't matter in a raid (ever seen sub 5% AoW wipes?).

Get what I'm gettin at yet, DSM?

5% dps is MASSIVE compared to 20 INT lmao.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you may have forgotten we are talking about SKs.

SKs don't need to worry about gating mobs, they have fear and snare. This can be used in both solo and group scenarios. Both of these spells use mana (INT), and Iksars do not have access to Blood Ember Clickies. Preventing a mob from gating completely is much more effective than slightly faster kill speeds. If you are doing a solo challenge mob that is immune to fear, that is one of the situations where the INT comes in handy! You are going to be using your full mana bar for that kind of fight, including the +20 INT from starting stats.

In a raid you have full access to buffs, which means you are STR capped anyway. You are getting +135 STR from Maniacal Strength and Focus of Spirit, which means you only need 120 STR before buffs. You simply need +40 STR from your gear on an Iksar SK if you put your starting stats into INT. I would be amazed if a level 60 melee class had less than +40 STR from gear. Please do not try and use the argument that asking for Maniacal strength is some kind of burden on Shamans lol. I have raid buffed for years, and never had an issue with buffing people with DEX and STR in addition to FoS and STA.

You are massively overestimating the small benefits you are getting from +20 STR via starting stats. Please stop telling people they are getting massive gains. This is simply false. I have provided plenty of counter evidence thus far, which you have yet to refute.

[Duik]

Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Crede]

The answer is DEX. OP is a filthy casual, hasn't even posted since post #1. Get them greenmist procs, he'll never see the advantage of INT in the endgame.

[Troxx]

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

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Is that from All That? Great show!

[Duik]

It's Preacher Time!
Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Troxx]

1. Potg
2 symbol
3 ac (if tanking)
4. c2
5 haste
6 Divine strength
7 focus
8 stamina
9 CotP
10 instaclick
11 instaclick
12 avatar (spell cast or proc if you have weapon)

That leaves you 3 potential buff spots for bard songs, heal over times, divine intervention, mob dots/debuffs you may suffer from, any recourses from your own spells or self buffs, resist buffs (seasons, magic resist, etc), DMF ….

The list is long for a hybrid tank.