Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject. - Marcus Aurelius

So your claim is you're the only person that understands EQ and nobody else does? Nobody has agreed with you this entire thread. 1 or 2 people said you had a point about something but nobody is taking the same stance as you overall. Very bold claim!

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think a Druid would bring more than a Shaman, you have lost the debate. Unless you are in an area where the Druid can Charm, you gain very little from adding the Druid. Even the people who disagree with me aren't arguing for a Druid. It is pretty clear at this point you don't even know what a Shaman is capable of if you think a Druid would provide more on average.

The other people have NOT provided math hehe, that's the problem. The data they have provided doesn't help their case. You need to read the thread a bit more carefully.

You are simply saying "I am right and you are wrong", because you are just making a claim without evidence. I can do that too. If I say "Shamans are better and I don't need to provide evidence", we are back to square one. You said it, I said it, and we are at an impasse.



It was a self fulfilling prophecy. You are the one providing the bad arguments. This thread would have been over a long time ago if you could just look at the math objectively and realize Mage DPS isn't as much as you thought.

Guys, I think it's obvious he's a troll with the way he speaks.

The pathological lying and twisting your counter arguments into something they weren't.

We're arguing about why mage is better, then you bring in the insane argument that the shaman isn't so redundant if the cleric can throw in his animation when he heals. That's when I said, by that logic, even a druid is better.

Druid would bring damage shield, evac, better nukes and even a potential 3rd charm if it were something like Chardok.

No, noone is arguing for a druid. That's correct. Stop deliberately misinterpreting that point I made, because we all know we're talking about a mage overtaking a shaman here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guys, I think it's obvious he's a troll with the way he speaks.

The pathological lying and twisting your counter arguments into something they weren't.

We're arguing about why mage is better, then you bring in the insane argument that the shaman isn't so redundant if the cleric can throw in his animation when he heals. That's when I said, by that logic, even a druid is better.

Druid would bring damage shield, evac, better nukes and even a potential 3rd charm if it were something like Chardok.

No, noone is arguing for a druid. That's correct. Stop deliberately misinterpreting that point I made, because we all know we're talking about a mage overtaking a shaman here.

Insults will get you no where.

You are trying to suggest a Druid would be better than a Shaman in this situation. You are the only person arguing this, so you need to bring some evidence to support a Druid being superior over a Shaman.

I also never said anything about a Cleric Animation hehe. I was talking about the Cleric nuke Reckoning. I am not sure where you are getting the Cleric Animation idea from.

[PatChapp]

There is one thing a druid brings that shaman doesn't. Snared pet is happy pet,major increase in safety.

I'm not saying they are better or worse,just that there is a very strong argument to have one around.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is one thing a druid brings that shaman doesn't. Snared pet is happy pet,major increase in safety.

I'm not saying they are better or worse,just that there is a very strong argument to have one around.

The same thing can be said for Malo. A Malosini'ed pet is a happy pet. With two healers (a Shaman heals much better than a Druid), you are in a good spot without Snare. Plus a Shaman can AoE slow in an emergency if you really need to drop mob DPS.

And for the sake of argument, let's say we could prove snare is far superior safety wise. That would still mean you wouldn't bring a Mage hehe. It would just mean people have been underestimating the poor Druids!

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The same thing can be said for Malo. A Malosini'ed pet is a happy pet. With two healers (a Shaman heals much better than a Druid), you are in a good spot without Snare. Plus a Shaman can AoE slow in an emergency if you really need to drop mob DPS.

And for the sake of argument, let's say we could prove snare is far superior safety wise. That would still mean you wouldn't bring a Mage hehe. It would just mean people have been underestimating the poor Druids!

I think safetywise it would depend on the mobs MR. Enchanter can debuff -80 with some cheap items, bit more with some slightly more expensive ones,topping out at -95 I believe.
If the mobs aren't very high mr,that should bring most to near zero

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PatChapp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think safetywise it would depend on the mobs MR. Enchanter can debuff -80 with some cheap items, bit more with some slightly more expensive ones,topping out at -95 I believe.
If the mobs aren't very high mr,that should bring most to near zero

Malosini adds an extra -60. If the mob never breaks Charm due to their MR being low enough already, you wouldn't need snare either.

[PatChapp]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Malosini adds an extra -60. If the mob never breaks Charm due to their MR being low enough already, you wouldn't need snare either.

Mobs at this level are likely to require boltrans, which is the shorter duration charm. Your still dealing with regular breaks,even if the mobs are 0mr.
Malo is helpful for sure, especially since a lot of enchanters for some reason don't use the cheap -mr gear.

[Troxx]

Singular.
Dissenting.
Opinion.

[PlsNoBan]

That's literally like saying "I say the earth is flat and you say it's round. Our opinions are equal"

That's not how it works fella