monk ratios, primary and offhand choices

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That by itself is quite concerning. It makes me wonder how many Gamparse users are doing the same thing, and how many don't know that….

Oh Jesus … are we transitioning to full blown conspiracy theorist?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh Jesus … are we transitioning to full blown conspiracy theorist?

You posted a parse you claimed you knew was incorrect due to a flaw with Gamparse. That isn't a conspiracy theory. That is a fact, and a point of data.

If you are trying to claim I said there's a shadowy cabal of Gamparse users who have a coordinated effort to post fake data, that is obviously nonsense. I never said that. This would just be another example of Troxx being a troll, or being bad at reading.

I was simply pointing out that if Troxx is posting and studying incorrect Gamparse data for whatever reason, other posters may be doing that too. It doesn't mean they are doing it on purpose, they simply may not know this flaw with Gamparse.

Why did you post a parse you supposedly knew to be inaccurate and unuseable due to a known Gamparse flaw?

[bcbrown]

You understand what the one specific limitation with gamparse is, right?

It accurately counts total damage for everyone. If you select a single fight it accurately calculates DPS. If you have multiple fights it includes all the downtime between those fights in the time elapsed, so the denominator is wrong.

That's it. That's the only limitation.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You understand what the one specific limitation with gamparse is, right?

It accurately counts total damage for everyone. If you select a single fight it accurately calculates DPS. If you have multiple fights it includes all the downtime between those fights in the time elapsed, so the denominator is wrong.

That's it. That's the only limitation.

And yet Troxx posted the flawed parse first, and not the supposedly accurate parses.

That is clearly a problem, as Troxx should know to never use the inaccurate parse.

I am not sure why you think this isn't an issue. If someone doesn't know about this flaw with Gamparse, they would assume Troxx's first parse was accurate when it wasn't.

Why do you think it was a good idea for Troxx to do that?

[Troxx]

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[Snaggles]

People use tools to test other tools and results all the time. I would think running Gameparse and then your own formula would be a great way to confirm that your approach is valid, or that Gameparse is broken. Two things you appear desperately trying to confirm.

I suspect you won’t. Belief is sometimes more powerful than truth. Additionally without ever trying to parse on red cons I’m not sure anyone should just trust your proposals. A lot (but certainly not all) of well intentioned science has fallen apart when the rubber meets the road.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People use tools to test other tools and results all the time. I would think running Gameparse and then your own formula would be a great way to confirm that your approach is valid, or that Gameparse is broken. Two things you appear desperately trying to confirm.

I suspect you won’t. Belief is sometimes more powerful than truth. Additionally without ever trying to parse on red cons I’m not sure anyone should just trust your proposals. A lot (but certainly not all) of well intentioned science has fallen apart when the rubber meets the road.

Belief is more powerful than truth at times. Troxx factually posted inaccurate Gamparse data. Yet you cling to the idea Gamparse is always accurate, and nobody has ever posted inaccurate Gamparse data.

My parses have been confirmed by other posters. I post my logs too, so everybody can double check my work! You can't double check Gamparse unless people post logs, and they usually don't. Parsing is quite simple, everybody can do it.

At the end of the day readers have two choices:

1. Read my current theory on how the damage formula works using real P99 data, EQEMU code, logic, and math. I have included logs so you can double check my work. It supports all of the oppositions current theories on how damage should work, including on raid targets, so I am not sure what they are arguing:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=440

2. Listen to posters who post inaccurate Gamparse data, or posters who deny Gamparse can be inaccurate, and have no data-backed damage formula of their own. The opposition has no equivalent post to the one I posted above. They can't even post logs so other people can confirm their parses are accurate.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I won't be posting over the holidays. I'll leave you with my latest theory on the damage formula, and a few predictions!

Damage formula:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=440

Predictions:

1. Posters will try to argue that the damage formula posted above is incorrect. I am not sure why at this point. It supports their ideas about how 1h and 2h weapons will parse on raid targets like vindi. They are basically arguing against their own ideas at this point. It is strange. If someome thinks the damage formula can be refined, I am all ears!

2. Posters like Troxx will post more nonsense.

3. Posters will not supply their own parses AND logs to support their own theories. They will not tell us what they think the damage formula is. They could bring some of their own vindi logs + parses, and gets some logs + parses from Corudoth. They just need to tell us what weapons were used, and use the same weapons on Corudoth. They could use my damage formula with the Vindi and Corudoth datasets to figure out if my damage formula works or not.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Troxx factually posted inaccurate Gamparse data. Yet you cling to the idea Gamparse is always accurate, and nobody has ever posted inaccurate Gamparse data.

Your words might carry more weight had I not been exceptionally honest (from the very first post) about the one area GamParse gets less than accurate.

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Bear in mind that things get weird when you combine fights. Actual dps levels for everyone involved (scaled or otherwise) are below actual real time values parsed.

I have highlighted myself and my 60 water pet unfocused.

Xeff: high level sk well geared; engaged first always
Grandmaster: 60 monk with tunare's fist of tunare and priceless velium wraps 15/20
Konober and Kekab: epic mage pet from another epic. I can only guess he didn't mask it or keep it hasted like it should have been.

Comparatively Ailowen + unfocused 60 water pet is the highlighted above.

See the monk's time engaged and you can see why he was below the SK and lower than me to such a degree; he spent a lot of time not engaged. What you can see is that mage dps is very good. This parse undervalues on the combine by a good 30% as my parse system is not perfect.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=181

I mean it’s right there for all to read. I followed on with individual breakout fights. Lord Jesus this was from 27 months ago …. quite a long time before most of the people on this forum were aware just how insane you are lol.


You keep demanding people post their private logs. Want our social security cards, text messages, call logs, and mother’s maiden name too? My private logs are my private information. What is said in my group/guild or in tells is one of your business. You think there is legitimacy in raw log files? You can go in there with a basic text program and alter it with simple keystrokes. "Cooking the book" if you want to lie is pretty easy with p99 log files.

Lol @ this muppet getting pissy people don’t deliver him exactly the way he wants it. Remember when he wanted us to FRAPS and upload videos to YouTube? Piss off.

[Jimjam]

DSM can you post the code of the script or tool you are using to cleanse / count log file data? I'm very interested in taking a look and trying it out.