Are you kidding me?

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ban Poopsocking
Ban Bards
Unban Bards
Ban Bards again
Ban lull through walls
Ban popping an eye through a wall
Ban glitching through locked doors
Ban kiting
Ban any speed greater than SoW
Allow kiting in certain situations
Allow kiting but make guild sacrifice all but one dragon being kited
Ban more than 2 trackers
Make all players start at a zone line for mobs
Ban any player past zone line
Ban gating to mobs
Ban trackers getting FTE
Ban DA idol stalling
Ban any spell after a single DA spell/item/effect is already used
Ban Ogre Walls
Ban Crown of Rile

See what I'm getting at?

I fully understand where you're coming from and can see why people would have a problem with it. But you and I both know how fucking dumb everything gets when there are no rules. I guess that's what you probably want though right? Just return to the "glory days" of TMO single guild dominance?

In all seriousness can you even imagine how stupid shit would get with no rules? It'd literally be 5 guilds sitting on top of spawn points with KS groups waiting to pounce and A/A would win literally every single time cause of gear disparity. Koraf showed up in PoM a couple weeks ago when I was trio'ing Puppets and literally KS'd all 3 of us. 60 mnk 60 epic mage 60 torpor shaman w pet and dots without using Duelist (or so he says :P) just to prove he could do it. You trying to tell me any guild would stand a chance against 6 BiS Rogues?

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Maner

How exactly? Naturally speaking English would imply you were born in the United States. Where is any race included in that comment? However a majority of non English speaking native people would suggest people from another country. Perhaps you should refrain from attaching race to comments that don't include skin tone.

Your initial statement was 'if you discriminate against people who don't speak English, you are a racist'. This implies that there is no difference between discriminating against people who don't speak proper English and discriminating against people with dark skin, which implies that those two groups overlap perfectly, which, since there are plenty of people with dark skin who grew up in English speaking countries, implies that people with dark skin cannot learn English, which is by definition discrimination on the basis of race.

TLDR: you calling other people racist is pure projection on your part

[Swish]

There definitely needs to be rules, more rules and yet more rules before anyone is allowed to have 'fun'

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There definitely needs to be rules, more rules and yet more rules before anyone is allowed to have 'fun'

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I wonder how much fun your "true casual guild" pals would have on a no rules server. How many dragons per year u think they'd get?

[Swish]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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I wonder how much fun your "true casual guild" pals would have on a no rules server. How many dragons per year u think they'd get?

I'm talking Venerate and guilds on that level... that raid a bit but still have people coming through.

Perhaps we should force them to disband and merge into existing raid guilds that can do the content, BDA rotation management style?

Also you seem to have ignored my well typed out post from the previous page and are choosing to shitpost instead.

[Mistle]

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Logic? He literally says "EQ has never been a game built for that sort of style" when in fact vanilla EQ was very much designed towards a competitive high end.

What is your evidence for this? Can you point to a dev quote or something to indicate this?

I don't have much difficulty finding evidence that it WASN'T... especially the undeniable fact that they deliberately changed it so direct competition wasn't possible any more. They were so *sick* of dealing with the Maners of the world, it was the easiest way out.

Originally Posted by Maner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WOW is the epitome of what ruined mmos so using it to try and justify some type of rotation or further GM influence in the raid scene is just stupidity.

I know following basic arguments is a lot to ask of you, given your pretty sad history here, but try to follow along. Maybe you can get Phil to explain it to you if he's still trying to get into your pants. No one is using WoW as justification for a rotation. WoW is simply an example of how mmorpgs evolved so that people like you would stop wrecking them. That's all!

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[Maner]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Finding concrete evidence of that is going to be next to impossible. I can link you prolly 100 posts of people saying that their server was like that in classic but that doesn't "prove" anything does it? What kind of evidence are you looking for? How about the fact that they did it recently on TLP's?

https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/...ockjaw.225229/

My server in classic was a kind of First in Force system and it was definitely GM enforced. Nobody tracked shit for 16 hours and FTE'd it in under a minute though. People just periodically checked if shit was up and if it was they mobilized to kill it and whoever had a raid force present first got the first attempt at it. If you wiped other guilds could try. Some guild tried to leapfrog my guild for Faydedar in classic and a GM showed up within minutes and told them to fuck off. They made a habit of trying to leapfrog and eventually I think they ate a suspension or something. I don't remember exactly what the punishment was.

How does what daybreak does on the TLPs reflect in anyway towards what happened during velious on original release? And the daybreak enforced rotation sure lasted a long time and worked so well on the TLP servers now didn't it?

There wasn't variance in vanilla so using what we have to do to track on this EMU is irrelevant.

The only rotation that ever existed on Xev in regards to ToV was after luclin and maybe even PoP came out, the guild that killed aary got 48 hours to clear Ntov. However this agreement never even went into affect until after vulak was changed to a ring event, if you want a time frame reference.

The TLPs right now are DPS races on raid targets unless you are in an instance version. In which whatever guild that brings the most SKs to HT and so on gets the kill no matter who was first in force or who engaged first.

Player made agreements and GM enforced agreements are very different, unless you can actually provide a post from a GM in era stating that they enforced a rotation then you cant prove your claim in any way.

I remember very clearly knowing the spawn time of arry in tov and having 4 guilds inside ToV waiting. Then all 4 of the guilds would basically bum rush aary and whichever raid got exp had ntov

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your initial statement was 'if you discriminate against people who don't speak English, you are a racist'. This implies that there is no difference between discriminating against people who don't speak proper English and discriminating against people with dark skin, which implies that those two groups overlap perfectly, which, since there are plenty of people with dark skin who grew up in English speaking countries, implies that people with dark skin cannot learn English, which is by definition discrimination on the basis of race.

TLDR: you calling other people racist is pure projection on your part

you should look at my original statement again. it was regarding people who don't naturally speak English, which would refer to pretty much anyone born in another country. I never said anything regarding people learning to speak English, however its not the native language in other countries so it wouldn't be their natural language. Again, you are the one who attached race to my comment not me. Fix yourself before attempting to point out the flaws in others kiddo.

[Raev]

The fact that you are conflating English ability with race is in fact racist. I don't know how to make this any simpler.

[Maner]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that you are conflating English ability with race is in fact racist. I don't know how to make this any simpler.

where did I ever state that other races weren't able to learn English? stating that other countries and nationalities don't have English as their native languages is now racist? LMAO this country is going to shit on the backs of casuals