BDA to Phinigel

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if you use a pet to build aggro before fighting a raid mob you're equally guilty as a filthy cheater to the guy that uses MQ2 to ghostkill? Your brain is fucking stupid

This also blows my mind, there is no reason for this to be done, warriors have enough tools to generate aggro at the beginning of the fight to keep it off healers, the debuffers and DPS just have to slow down a bit.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This also blows my mind, there is no reason for this to be done, warriors have enough tools to generate aggro at the beginning of the fight to keep it off healers, the debuffers and DPS just have to slow down a bit.

It doesn't really mean much of anything. Relatively harmless mechanic that people abuse for minor gain. But I just used it as one example of many. If we're defining "cheating" as any unintended use of game mechanics then literally every EQ player is a cheater. Original EQ dev's never intended FD to be used as a pulling/splitting mechanic. They never intended you to recharge midnignt mallets til your eyes bleed so u can spam them to aggro raid mobs. They certainly never intended for there to be FTE footraces or pulling VP/ToV dragons solo to the zonein bypassing all trash mobs.

Are you a "cheater" if you abuse unintended mechanics of the game? I say no. Some others say yes. But just be aware that you're using your own completely subjective rules of what qualifies as cheating and what doesn't. Cause there are CLEARLY instances of abusing game mechanics that most people don't seem to have a problem with,

[Papa]

EoE using ShowEQ?

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and I still don't buy for a second that nobody wiht a BDA tag ate a suspension over this. People from every guild on the server had people doing it. General chat was SPAMMED with defiant armor links for like 4 hours straight the night before I left for my vaca.

The bug has been around since Quarm. Grogblok and I posted about it in the Shoutbox on our forums a couple days before it completely went public - and I warned people not to even test it because they WOULD suspend/ban for exploiting it. It's not something you could do by accident.

Daybreak doesn't care if you exploit in your raid instances (obvious by AoS/EoE/etc warping bosses to VT entrance, exploiting rooted mobs to set aggro and rampage, etc), but if you exploit something that could lose them money you are in trouble.

I'm sure someone in BDA got suspended for it, but if they did they have been quiet about it. We've done some raids since the suspensions and everyone seems accounted for though.

[Daldaen]

Seen monks, shadowknights and warriors tell me mobs spawn before it even pops on my track. Unfortunately it's not an EoE thing. Seen people from AoS, EoE, IVAS, OGC, and a few other randoms blatantly using it.

People have no problems telling you when mobs have just spawned before track cycles through on a class without track on a mob well outside of their range to possibily know it spawned.

[BallzDeep]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't really mean much of anything. Relatively harmless mechanic that people abuse for minor gain. But I just used it as one example of many. If we're defining "cheating" as any unintended use of game mechanics then literally every EQ player is a cheater. Original EQ dev's never intended FD to be used as a pulling/splitting mechanic. They never intended you to recharge midnignt mallets til your eyes bleed so u can spam them to aggro raid mobs. They certainly never intended for there to be FTE footraces or pulling VP/ToV dragons solo to the zonein bypassing all trash mobs.

Are you a "cheater" if you abuse unintended mechanics of the game? I say no. Some others say yes. But just be aware that you're using your own completely subjective rules of what qualifies as cheating and what doesn't. Cause there are CLEARLY instances of abusing game mechanics that most people don't seem to have a problem with,

Yeah, I get your logic on cheating and what is acceptable but bashing BDA when your in a guild that used to automate harmtouch with MQ2 on mob spawn, enforced majority of the guild to use MQ2, one of the main officers of the guild created a mid-level character to box and sit on MQ2 warp locations to release videos of any other guild minus Citizen(AKA OGC) warping into the MQ2 location......then you don't really have any valid point.

[BallzDeep]

https://www.youtube.com/user/fippydetective/videos

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seen monks, shadowknights and warriors tell me mobs spawn before it even pops on my track. Unfortunately it's not an EoE thing. Seen people from AoS, EoE, IVAS, OGC, and a few other randoms blatantly using it.

People have no problems telling you when mobs have just spawned before track cycles through on a class without track on a mob well outside of their range to possibily know it spawned.

One thing to consider - in comparison to P99, everyone can see through walls, and the clip plane view distance is massive.

In places like Ssra/Velks/Seb/Chardok while farming/exping there I constantly use this "feature".

[Papa]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I get your logic on cheating and what is acceptable but bashing BDA when your in a guild that used to automate harmtouch with MQ2 on mob spawn, enforced majority of the guild to use MQ2, one of the main officers of the guild created a mid-level character to box and sit on MQ2 warp locations to release videos of any other guild minus Citizen(AKA OGC) warping into the MQ2 location......then you don't really have any valid point.

guild with literally the worst reputation in live EQ (across multiple servers, quite a feat, impressive really)

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BallzDeep [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I get your logic on cheating and what is acceptable but bashing BDA when your in a guild that used to automate harmtouch with MQ2 on mob spawn, enforced majority of the guild to use MQ2, one of the main officers of the guild created a mid-level character to box and sit on MQ2 warp locations to release videos of any other guild minus Citizen(AKA OGC) warping into the MQ2 location......then you don't really have any valid point.

My criticisms of BDA have nothing to do with cheating or exploiting or any of this shit we're talking about so. BDA just used the fact that some OGC members got suspended as a deflection when I called out their typical propaganda bullshit and I pointed out that Chest has no way to backup his claim of 0 BDA people being suspended. Then it just went on and on til we arrived here.