Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Pointing out how dumb everything you say is" is trolling[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were taking the conversation seriously, you would bring evidence and logic, or not post at all. Just look at the post history. You look like a troll lol.

It's not my fault everything you're saying is dumb. I don't possess a 60 mage to give you your precious data you can stroke yourself to. I just know this game well enough to know you're spewing nonsense.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We’ll I am actually a physician. I don’t diagnose anyone with anything over the internet but your forum behavior, especially when confronted with anything that challenges your established opinions about the universe, is pretty atypical.

I don’t know if you’re actually on spectrum and frankly don’t care.

If you don't care, then don't bring it up[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Physicians can't diagnose anything based on simple text conversations over the internet, so I don't know why you even brought it up.

It is not my opinion computer programs like video games are built on math and rules. That is factual reality, and doesn't change.

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not my fault everything you're saying is dumb. I don't possess a 60 mage to give you your precious data you can stroke yourself to. I just know this game well enough to know you're spewing nonsense.

"Everything you say is dumb". See? I can do it too. That doesn't mean I won the argument, or provided anything of value to this discussion.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Everything you say is dumb". See? I can do it too. That doesn't mean I won the argument, or provided anything of value to this discussion.

The problem is you seem to believe if you do enough math on spell cost and damage you can "win" the argument. As like 5+ people have already told you now there's more to the story than your precious data. Things don't always work out that way. Most of us have thousands of hours invested in this game and tons of experience with both classes and have first hand knowledge of how both classes perform in a variety of situations in the real (norrath) world. We all instinctively know what class is better for what situation without doing a single equation about it. You can keep doing all the math you want but it won't make you correct. You're hyper focusing (autism) on the wrong thing here and you're literally unable to see it any other way.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is you seem to believe if you do enough math on spell cost and damage you can "win" the argument. As like 5+ people have already told you now there's more to the story than your precious data. Things don't always work out that way. Most of us have thousands of hours invested in this game and tons of experience with both classes and have first hand knowledge of how both classes perform in a variety of situations in the real (norrath) world. We all instinctively know what class is better for what situation without doing a single equation about it. You can keep doing all the math you want but it won't make you correct. You're hyper focusing (autism) on the wrong thing here and you're literally unable to see it any other way.

The math is in the "real Norrath world". You assume your experience proves everything I say wrong. The biggest problem with this assumption is you may not have learned enough, even in those thousands of hours playing. Not all hours of experience are created equal. Instinct is also not always correct.

Your experience won't change the average DPS of a level 60 water pet, or how many times you can nuke per hour. That is fixed math that will never change. The only way you can nuke more often is if you are getting twitched, or you improve your max mana. That has a limit too. Games are built on a set of rules, and you cannot change them unless you cheat.

Here is a very simple example of something that looks like a "real experience". We will assume no resists occur. The Mage is currently sitting at 2000 mana due to spending some mana in previous fights.

Let's say a Mage nukes a single boss mob 5 times and the boss mob dies in 1 minute. Not resists occurred. For that fight, the Mage's DPS is (825 x 5) / 60 = 69 + 56 from the pet + 15 from DS for a total of 140 DPS. In the next two fights, the Mage only needs to nuke the mob once because the mob is a trash mob, and it dies in 30 seconds. The Mages DPS is 56 + 7 (half of DS since the fight was shorter) + (825 / 30) = 90 DPS for those two fights. However, the Mage is now oom, so they cannot nuke for the next two fights, which would take a bit longer without the extra DPS. Their pet is doing 56, and their DS is probably around 9, so that is 65 DPS for the next two fights.

A total of 5 fights occured, so 140 + 90 + 90 + 65 + 65 / 5 = 90 DPS, which is basically the average I calculated for a Mage who is using Shock of Steel instead of a clickie (88 was the number). Realistically the number would fluctuate a bit, depending on resists and how lucky you get with pet DPS, but you can see that the average still plays out, even in a "real" situation where you have multiple DPS values.

[Troxx]

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyF8RHM1OCg

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyF8RHM1OCg

You are really childish for a supposed doctor lol. Taking after your patients?

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The math is in the "real Norrath world". You assume your experience proves everything I say wrong. The biggest problem with this assumption is you may not have learned enough, even in those thousands of hours playing. Not all hours of experience are created equal. Instinct is also not always correct.

Your experience won't change the average DPS of a level 60 water pet, or how many times you can nuke per hour. That is fixed math that will never change. The only way you can nuke more often is if you are getting twitched, or you improve your max mana. That has a limit too. Games are built on a set of rules, and you cannot change them unless you cheat.

Here is a very simple example of something that looks like a "real experience". We will assume no resists occur. The Mage is currently sitting at 2000 mana due to spending some mana in previous fights.

Let's say a Mage nukes a single boss mob 5 times and the boss mob dies in 1 minute. Not resists occurred. For that fight, the Mage's DPS is (825 x 5) / 60 = 69 + 56 from the pet + 15 from DS for a total of 140 DPS. In the next two fights, the Mage only needs to nuke the mob once because the mob is a trash mob, and it dies in 30 seconds. The Mages DPS is 56 + 7 (half of DS since the fight was shorter) + (825 / 30) = 90 DPS for those two fights. However, the Mage is now oom, so they cannot nuke for the next two fights, which would take a bit longer without the extra DPS. Their pet is doing 56, and their DS is probably around 9, so that is 65 DPS for the next two fights.

A total of 5 fights occured, so 140 + 90 + 90 + 65 + 65 / 5 = 90 DPS, which is basically the average I calculated for a Mage who is using Shock of Steel instead of a clickie (88 was the number). Realistically the number would fluctuate a bit, depending on resists and how lucky you get with pet DPS, but you can see that the average still plays out, even in a "real" situation where you have multiple DPS values.

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You're hyper focusing (autism) on the wrong thing here and you're literally unable to see it any other way.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

People really don't understand basic math hehe. The math still works, even after posting gifs.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Example of DSM math:

DSM: Did you know that Usain Bolt can run 100 meters in approximately ten seconds?
Non-autist: Cool.
DSM: By my calculations that means Usain Bolt can run from New York to Los Angeles in just 5.2 days.
Non-autist: No man, that's not how that works.
DSM: Clearly you just don't understand math.

[Gloomlord]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not the troll here. The only trolls are the people using insults and memes when they can't get their way in a discussion. That is the stubborn childishness you speak of. They are the one's who started using autism as an insult too[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Don't blame me for their silliness.

Danth and myself are the only people on the post list who didn't devolve into trolling. Props to Crede for becoming civil again near the end of the discussion.

Troxx got mad because his own data shows his Mage isn't as good as he thought.

Karanis and PlsNoBan are basically trolling the entire time lol.

Zuranthium has a chip on his shoulder against me for some reason, so he likes to come in to threads and be contrarian from time to time. At least he became civil in his last post or two.

Toxigen likes to troll threads too, it's pretty common.

I disagree with how they're talking with you, but they're right. Mage does bring more to the table here, for a fraction of the effort.

I also agree with them in that other thread that mage is not underpowered. Undoubtedly they're a very boring class if you want to apply skill, but they're not underpowered.

However, you decided to pointlessly drag another thread in this demonisation of the magician class that it really doesn't deserve.

I'm not going to call you autistic, but this is a ridiculous obsession to me.