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[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by feniin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What sort of person looks at Boris Johnson and thinks "yeah, that's my guy"

People value gentlemanliness as a vaneer. People who put the ends before the means. People to whom the law is a system of restraint, not protection. People to whom the status quo is intolerable.

People see problems in how things are. He offers a solution. The solution to end the problem.

Personally I don't buy it. It all feels rather sinister. Its all scapegoats and oldboy cronyism masquerading as free market capitalism.

[Thrombosis]

I think a lot of people, myself included, see Boris as being the least-worst option given the alternatives in most of the country are Comrade Corbyn or Swinoccio. People are genuinely worried about a Corbyn government, with good reason imo, and so will vote to prevent that - the Brexit Party pulled out of over half the constituencies because they didn't want to be seen doing anything to enable a Corbyn victory.

[Horza]

Boris Johnson heckled by Question Time audience as he dodges questions on Russia report. One audience member repeatedly shouted “it’s not true” as Johnson claimed that it was not possible to publish the Intelligence and Security Committee report before the general election.

[Jimjam]

I've never voted labour.

I liked JRM's (conservative leave campaigner) idea during the referendum that we'd negotiate the best deal possible then have a deciding referendum once we knew the facts.

I've also seen the scarcity of land in the UK dissuades developers from building entry level or affordable family housing, and regulations that encourage it are ignored or unenforced. The freemarket had spoken and the poor don't deserve homes, which has disastrous social and economic consequences (I've worked and volunteered extensively in the 'homeless' sector, been a research assistant for a phd on the consequences of unemployment, a landlord for Amnesty International service users). As market forces have failed, we need a government plan to build affordable housing, JC offers this, especially if it acts as a cash injection into the construction sector while reducing housing benefit payments.

I'm sorrly tempted to vote Labour for these two reasons, along with the fact I don't have an iota of trust in Boris (though honestly I think he is little more than a faceman puppet).

Horrifyingly I think I'll be voting for labour, and living in a conservative safe seat (the one Ken Clarke occupied before standing down, unfortunately in my eyes as he was one of the few MPs i genuinely respected), I can do so with the clean conscience of wasting vote.

If they get enough MPs to form a government all this Brexit nonsense should be sorted out by the next election... Over by Christmas (2020) right?!

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

COrbyn homeless looking? Looks like the average 70 year old man to me.

This whole "comrade corbyn" thing is weird. Wanting to nationalize things isn't communist. It's normal to nationalize services, tons of countries worldwide have nationalized power, rail, communications etc.

WE are the odd ones out. People parrot on about TAKING BACK CONTROL. Fine go on about immigration all you want, but we wont have real control back till we control the things which keep us alive.

Currently out grid part owned by UK and otherwise between canadian, chinese, german and middle eastern companies among others.

A fair portion of our rail network is french, german and dutch owned.

Our post is at least 21% owned by a german consortium.

Nationalization will hurt to begin with and will have issues. No doubt. But dont blame those who seek to nationaize it. Blame those who privatized in the past.

Selling things off is easy and gets a quick buck. Keeping things in our control may be tougher in the long run but is better for our country.

I can't think of a single reason anyone who is parroting this "taking back control" stuff could have to OPPOSE renationalization of utilities and services.

[Thrombosis]

Originally Posted by Hoppkins_Wytchfinder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This whole "comrade corbyn" thing is weird. Wanting to nationalize things isn't communist. It's normal to nationalize services, tons of countries worldwide have nationalized power, rail, communications etc.

WE are the odd ones out. People parrot on about TAKING BACK CONTROL. Fine go on about immigration all you want, but we wont have real control back till we control the things which keep us alive.

Currently out grid part owned by UK and otherwise between canadian, chinese, german and middle eastern companies among others.

A fair portion of our rail network is french, german and dutch owned.

Our post is at least 21% owned by a german consortium.

Nationalization will hurt to begin with and will have issues. No doubt. But dont blame those who seek to nationaize it. Blame those who privatized in the past.

Selling things off is easy and gets a quick buck. Keeping things in our control may be tougher in the long run but is better for our country.

I can't think of a single reason anyone who is parroting this "taking back control" stuff could have to OPPOSE renationalization of utilities and services.

You realise the socialist wing of the Labour Party revel in referring to themselves as "comrade" - it's literally how the Labour Party Conference is addressed.

I'm not old enough to remember when the cold winds of socialism last blew through my country, but I am old enough to remember Mrs Thatcher's market reforms that brought about many improvements e.g. it was common for it to take months for a BT technician to connect your home to a phone line (unless you knew a corrupt one, of which there were many), and you had to buy your phone from BT. Now it takes days, and you can buy any phone you want from anywhere.

I personally don't really care whether a service provider is state-owned or privately owned, what I do care about is that there is competition in the market so I can chose who I buy from. Of course, some things are natural monopolies such as Royal Mail, which I agree should never have been privatised - interestingly it was both Labour (under Blair) and the Conservatives who pushed that through to implement EU competition law. The rail network also was a disaster when it was privatised, so is rightly back in national hands, I'm not decided about the train-operating companies - I'm fortunate to live in the South-East and I can see that they've invested in new trains which are much better than the ancient slam-door trains that were used after British Rail was privatised. I know that's not the case everywhere and Northern Rail is a disgrace (they got our second-hand trains).

Ultimately I fear you will have less control than you think over a nationalised service provider, the only control we as individuals have is to take our business elsewhere, sometimes that's not possible, but where it is there should be consumer choice.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Additional: I can appreciate Thatcher did SOME good for this country by the way (despite such sick shit like taking milk away from children....a small monetary saving for being dubbed the milk thief, ill never understand it)

I almost can have respect that she truely believed some of the things she did were for the good of the country.

I respect her as a politician far more than shithawks like Boris Johnson and David Cameron etc, i doubt thatcher would of had much time for them.

[Thrombosis]

Originally Posted by Hoppkins_Wytchfinder [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Additional: I can appreciate Thatcher did SOME good for this country by the way (despite such sick shit like taking milk away from children....a small monetary saving for being dubbed the milk thief, ill never understand it)

I remember getting the free milk at school, it was pretty disgusting - either watered down or about to go off or both. No great loss when it went imo - rationing had ended 30 years ago so there was no shortage of foodstuffs. As an aside I do remember getting an absolute rollocking from the headmistress at my school for saying 'Mrs Thatcher the Milk Snatcher'.

Regarding food banks, I agree it's truly awful that so many people need these today and I hold the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg regime partly responsible for their deeper-than-necessary cuts in response to the banking crisis that did so much damage to our country. I'm not sure socialism is the answer to that though - there are plenty of hungry people in Venezuela too.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Originally Posted by Thrombosis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember getting the free milk at school, it was pretty disgusting - either watered down or about to go off or both. No great loss when it went imo - rationing had ended 30 years ago so there was no shortage of foodstuffs. As an aside I do remember getting an absolute rollocking from the headmistress at my school for saying 'Mrs Thatcher the Milk Snatcher'.

Regarding food banks, I agree it's truly awful that so many people need these today and I hold the Cameron/Osborne/Clegg regime partly responsible for their deeper-than-necessary cuts in response to the banking crisis that did so much damage to our country. I'm not sure socialism is the answer to that though - there are plenty of hungry people in Venezuela too.

My kids dont get school dinners now either. Which is ok, they can have packed lunches but mate so many kids who families are poor now dont even get a school dinner. Who cares if its not ala carte, for some familes it was the only hot meal they got in a day.

How much did taking this away save the goverment? Not a drop in the ocean compared to the tax they dont pay or what they embezzle in expenses.

Between cuts like this and forcing to people into foodbanks its NO CONTEST to me who is on the side of the common man.

The amount of people who have to go cap in hand hungry in this country is clown shoes. We are supposed to be one of the most developed countries. Disgusting.

[Hoppkins_Wytchfinder]

Originally Posted by Thrombosis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not old enough to remember when the cold winds of socialism last blew through my country

You're old enough to have seen the cold winds of the tories making people use food banks as though its normal though.

It's ok though its "uplifting" to see people going cap in hand to charities to get spaghetti hoops im sure. They probably deserve it (shitehawks like Priti Patel, Rees Mogg, Duncan Smith, Amber Rudd etc seem to think so)