Raid Changes

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that will keep the people crying happy for about 1 month, till everyone has what they want. Then the server will just die.

nothing lasts forever

[Adayven]

Originally Posted by Silentone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that will keep the people crying happy for about 1 month, till everyone has what they want. Then the server will just die.

People want to play. Most have limited time no reason that having something to do would cause the server to die, but lack of anything to do will kill it for sure. Only so many times you can kill random mob x before you snap your keyboard and throw shit across the room. Everquest was always a game of patience, but no one's patience is inexhaustible.

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Start showing us some damn respect then if you want some back.. geeze... we didnt even fraps and petition your draco kite because we were supposed to be showing you guys some fairness with mobs..

see how far that got us ? lol

Ambrotos was right there for the whole fight and encounter.

And respect is a two-way street. I don't think you have anywhere near the full picture, and are just going off of a one-sided argument.

[Stealin Dragons]

Originally Posted by Pillow Armadillo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are a lot of valid points being made in this thread. This is one, in particular, that I felt needed some reinforcement.

Remember when Rogean delayed Veeshan's Peak from releasing last September because TR/TMO had created such a hostile endgame environment that he felt the players didn't deserve it? http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=48145

It'd be unfortunate if this happened with an entire expansion...

That being said, I think a productive discussion of what-if's and sharing of ideas is a good step forward. Topics like these are useful, and can improve communication between players and staff on p99 - whether you agree with the ideas in the OP or not, the baiting comments about dragon handouts and "wellfare raiding" is the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that prevents these threads from growing and providing quality feedback.

They delayed VP because it only affected TMO and IB.

[Quizy]

Originally Posted by Bruman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ambrotos was right there for the whole fight and encounter.

And respect is a two-way street. I don't think you have anywhere near the full picture, and are just going off of a one-sided argument.

im talking about when your bard was kiting draco for 4-5 minutes while my self, jjlent, reptak and silentone followed him around waiting to decide if we were gonna pull it off him since he was kiting a raid mob...

I saw the whole picture because i was the first person to zone into fear before the 2 bards that came into kite..

Yeah respect is a two way street.. but you want something from us and MOST of you guys have shown us the same kinda respect IB did.. a slap in the face

[falkun]

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im talking about when your bard was kiting draco for 4-5 minutes while my self, jjlent, reptak and silentone followed him around waiting to decide if we were gonna pull it off him since he was kiting a raid mob...

I haven't been able to find it, but I was under the impression that Draco was the only raid mob you could kite, simply because everyone kited fear for Draco/CT. It was always the REST of the raid mobs (Tal, Sev, Gore, Fayd, Inny, etc.) that you were not allowed to kite. If I recall, the very last raid VD did was an attempt at Draco where Fauss was kiting (including Draco), VD tagged Draco out from Fauss' kite and Fauss dropped his kite (via L60 bard DA and/or CoH).

Either way, its a moot point now that you are not allowed to kite Fear for anything other than an AE pull.

Originally Posted by Quizy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah respect is a two way street.. but you want something from us and MOST of you guys have shown us the same kinda respect IB did.. a slap in the face

I've seen/heard of dick-head and admirable acts from both view-points, whether they are accurate or not. There's the sky fiasco, Draco, Inny, Gore (giving BDA attempt2.0 after she warped under world), and probably others I'm missing. I'd say the larger issue, as a BDA member, is I don't know which TMO is going to show up for competition on any given day, "cutthroat bitch" (for all you House fans) or the friendly one. For that reason, I personally feel I have to treat TMO as "cutthroat bitch" all the time and be pleasantly surprised when I see the other side.

[Arclanz]

Originally Posted by SamwiseBanned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only way to get ahead on these kinds of serves is to step on everyone who gets in your way.

/agree

Variance shmariance... Launch a new blue server. Or push the ghey-mans-pvp players, who just luuuuv to race to content, to Red99. If you want to PvP, man-up and do it; don't kakblock others then hide behind your blue tag.

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[Xadion]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I haven't been able to find it, but I was under the impression that Draco was the only raid mob you could kite, simply because everyone kited fear for Draco/CT. It was always the REST of the raid mobs (Tal, Sev, Gore, Fayd, Inny, etc.) that you were not allowed to kite. If I recall, the very last raid VD did was an attempt at Draco where Fauss was kiting (including Draco), VD tagged Draco out from Fauss' kite and Fauss dropped his kite (via L60 bard DA and/or CoH).

Either way, its a moot point now that you are not allowed to kite Fear for anything other than an AE pull.



I've seen/heard of dick-head and admirable acts from both view-points, whether they are accurate or not. There's the sky fiasco, Draco, Inny, Gore (giving BDA attempt2.0 after she warped under world), and probably others I'm missing. I'd say the larger issue, as a BDA member, is I don't know which TMO is going to show up for competition on any given day, "cutthroat bitch" (for all you House fans) or the friendly one. For that reason, I personally feel I have to treat TMO as "cutthroat bitch" all the time and be pleasantly surprised when I see the other side.

as for kiting draco .... Read the rule, all raid mobs... Once you tag/agro a raid mob it must be taken directly in route to the raid that has intent to kill it, and that is exactly what we do...now during that pull draco is able to be separated and he is not taken away from heading directly to the camp, then the train of other mobs can be taken away... All the time the raid mob from tag to engage is a beeline to the raid. To claim you and your raid leader and puppets didn't know this rule is lol

[Arclanz]

These images cracked me up. Edited my post.

[Lazortag]

Maestro of Rancor has a +/- 24 hour variance. This means a person tracking him for his entire window could spend up to 48 hours waiting for him to spawn (just for the chance at being the first to engage and kill him), and on average will wait 24 hours. In classic Maestro did not have variance.

Is it because he's considered a raid mob? It's no secret that Maestro is consistently killed on this server with less than a group of people. He's really no harder than Phinny (12 hour spawn, no variance), or the tangrin (3 day spawn, no variance).

Is it because he's needed for the warrior epic? The tangrin, phinny, wraith of a shissir (3 day spawn, no variance), and ishva mal (36 hour spawn, no variance) are all used for different epics, and none of them have a variance.

Is it because of the length of his spawn time? See above - this obviously doesn't apply to wraith of a shissir or tangrin who have the exact same spawn time and no variance.

I think the variance on maestro is an outdated policy from when there were only 6 raid mobs on this server, and it was assumed it would take an entire raid force to kill him. Now we have at least 13 raid mobs not including VP or Sky mobs, and maestro is frequently killed with less than a group. It's no secret that variances make it easier for certain guilds to monopolize mobs, because it lessens the chance of mobs spawning simultaneously, and increases the chance of mobs spawning at times when casual players aren't going to be awake. This isn't to say that Maestro is impossible for casuals to get in the post-epic era, but that the vast majority of kills on him are by larger, more hardcore guilds with players who can be on during all times of the day.

Because maestro is easier to monopolize by hardcore guilds, people are going to continue farming him after all of their guild's warriors need it so they can sell the MQ. Currently someone is selling a hand of the maestro MQ for over 200k, while the vast majority of guilds capable of killing maestro have only a handful of warrior epics. In classic this would have never happened. I'm not trying to criticize the seller of the MQ, but if this becomes a pattern (people farming maestro just so they can sell the MQ at inflated prices) it could be very harmful for the server. So for these reasons I think the variance on maestro should be completely removed.

PS: please don't interpret this as an attack on anyone or any guild! I'm just suggesting what I think is best for the server.