End of the rotation?

[Fanguru]

You do not understand the situation, Throndor.

The rotation is a player-made agreement, it is not GM-enforced and GMs have said numerous times they do not like the rotation and feel class R guilds should compete among themselves.

The current system does not "ensure an equitable distribution" since small guilds can currently ally themselves, making one kill force with 2 or 3 guilds, yet keeping 2 or 3 turns in the rotation.

BDA, Taken and Divinity don't want to prevent smaller guilds from killing mobs, they want to encourage alliances and mergers within smaller guilds.

[Fanguru]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get - the gap between R and C suddenly became significantly shorter, without making R nearly as cutthroat as C is.

TMO and IB have no say in the matter.
Also there are still lockouts in class-R, so BDA and Taken would not get all the mobs.

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess the question is how long TMO/IB would be okay with BDA/Taken potentially taking up 1/9th of all loot "uncontested" versus the 1/6 TMO/IB get

I think that's a good point. If R fully collapsed I think the C guilds will be coming for dem pixels and we'd be back to the 'wild west'. How would they expect the GMs to enforce a class that doesn't exist anymore, I wonder?

"guys wait, it's still a rotation... but its FFA" - makes no sense whatsoever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The question is perhaps whether BDA/Taken/Divinity will risk going down that road. Most likely all 10 guilds lose because pals who used to run the show want pixels for their alts.

Interested to see where this goes, I don't think they've thought it through.

[thieros]

class R cant kill vp mobs. so nahhhh

[Swish]

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also there are still lockouts in class-R, so BDA and Taken would not get all the mobs.

Assuming the rotation still exists of course. If it collapses, what then? Everything would (should) be FFA, and we'll all see less.

There seems to be a lot of banking on the fact that we'd still have a 2 tier system if there isn't an agreement on this proposal. Would BDA/Taken/Divinity be asking for protection from TMO/IB when they get on their horses to go raiding?

Interesting times...

[Fanguru]

Your inability to understand the situation is baffling.

GMs enforce C/R/FFA.
As far as GMs are concerned, R is basically FFA without TMO/IB and with lockouts.

The rotation in R is a player agreement.
GMs said numerous times they do not like the rotation and prefer competition.
The C/R/FFA system does not rely on the current R rotation.

If the rotation falls, the C/R/FFA system continues.
Anyone in R can take down a R target provided they do not have a lockout on this target.

The only way things completely change is if GMs make a 180° and go back on their positions.
Velious release could also change things with Kunark targets.

[Culkasi]

GMs have also said that if they saw one or more guilds completely locking down R content and blocking other guilds from raid content, they would consider moving said guilds to class C. We will see if they follow up on that.

That said, that shouldn't be the main driver behind dropping this gun-slinger tactics, it should be respect and normal decency towards people who have worked hard, with BDA etc, to make this Class R work so well in the past year.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GMs have also said that if they saw one or more guilds completely locking down R content and blocking other guilds from raid content, they would consider moving said guilds to class C. We will see if they follow up on that.

That said, that shouldn't be the main driver behind dropping this gun-slinger tactics, it should be respect and normal decency towards people who have worked hard, with BDA etc, to make this Class R work so well in the past year.

The lockouts prevent sheer domination of Class R. I think that what people tend to forget is the raiding scale on this server. Are BDA or Taken more raid ready for an FFA scenario than say Europa, maybe. Does that mean BDA or Taken are even close to taking FFA kills from TMO or IB, I know BDA isn't.

The primary goal in C is to get VP kills right? BDA has 53 keyed members on our roster, at least 15 of those are inactive players currently. That means on a batphone we'd need to get damn near 100% turnout from our active VP characters and beat TMO/IB who have over a hundred keyed members each plus 4 years experience doing the content.

The rotation stunted the growth of every class R guild in that regard. I can guarantee you that any class R guild leader will tell you the same. Based on the rotation the rate at which you acquire VP teeth is about equal to the attrition rate of VP keys whether it be losing those members to other guilds or players just quitting. Hell, BDA had two splinter guilds make off with a pile of keys (FE errr TMO, and Omni)

[Argh]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The primary goal in C is to get VP kills right?

How many times have you tried to make the argument that the purpose of C/R is just about differing play styles and nothing else?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many times have you tried to make the argument that the purpose of C/R is just about differing play styles and nothing else?

I've made the argument plenty of times, the staff has made it perfectly clear that they don't give a fuck about my argument.