OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want a point system then make it an effort based system that rewards guilds that are willing to put in the effort tracking and killing the targets that take more work/effort.

If you have truly been following my posts then you would know that a different compromise has been offered by the majority in a vent conversation among the guild reps two nights ago, that is being revisited tonight before the hammer comes down. So if you are going to make these kind of statements at least know what you are talking about.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hmm so the GMs are going to let this extortion stand?

They are promoting the "extortion", genius.

[Hitpoint]

I"ll be honest. It looks like Taken and BDA and whoever else are simply trying to squeeze more out of this situation because the GMs gave you the power to do so. Your right, raid suspension hurts the big guilds more. And yes, GMs want a unanimous agreement from all guilds.

Let's imagine that we weren't threatened with a raid suspension and this current proposal was posted. People would go fucking INSANE for it. Big guilds said they are willing to give up tons of targets every month, including 1/4th of the ones they want the most. Guilds that were previously getting nothing, can get multiple targets weekly. They can set up a rotation between themselves if they don't want to do any work. That's left up to them. And still allowed to compete with the top guilds if they choose to. Nothing even close to this has ever been on the table. It would be accepted without a second thought, there would be no holding out for MORE. Want some inside info? This agreement was drafted and posted on our boards for review a day before Sirken's threat. Our officers didn't come up with this because they had the threat of a suspension looming. They actually wanted to make the raid scene better. And you all shit on it like this, just because you can. Imo threatening the server was a mistake, and now this is all so messy and hateful when it doesn't need to be.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have truly been following my posts then you would know that a different compromise has been offered by the majority in a vent conversation among the guild reps two nights ago, that is being revisited tonight before the hammer comes down. So if you are going to make these kind of statements at least know what you are talking about.

Sorry I stopped really reading your post after that shit stain of a reply that I quoted above. Your still welcome to a ham biscuit if you want.

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They are promoting the "extortion", genius.

I still love you Tecmos you have always been a good guy.

[Tecmos Deception]

Wanting more concessions than were proposed doesn't mean anyone is shitting on this proposal. It's not like hardcore raiders are giving up that much on an absolute scale, seeing as they already have killed all this shit 300 times and have alts decked in raid loot and still have a relative monopoly on VP.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still love you Tecmos you have always been a good guy.

Haha. I just can't stay out of the shit sometimes. I don't even care, personally, because I don't intend for Tecmos to do real raiding ever [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wanting more concessions than were proposed doesn't mean anyone is shitting on this proposal. It's not like hardcore raiders are giving up that much on an absolute scale, seeing as they already have killed all this shit 300 times and have alts decked in raid loot and still have a relative monopoly on VP.

You're talking about TMO with this paragraph. FE/IB doesn't even have decked mains. MOST of these mobs we haven't even killed in the double digits, despite killing ourselves for months trying to. We have no monopoly on VP once this suspension ends. You can't make blanket statements like this.

And out of every guild on this server we're losing the most with this deal. Your right, TMO doesn't need anything anymore and they've farmed it all for years. The position of every other guild on the server only improves with this proposal. Essentially, we are stuck competing with TMO just as hard as we always have, except with half the opportunities to do so.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you don't like the concessions guilds are willing to make.

Just me again? the majority of the guilds dont like it. not just ME

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want an across the board sweep that makes everyone equal no matter the difference in effort they have or are willing to put into the game.

Wrong. a compromise was offered that is a great mix of something for the casuals and the same competition we have had with no changes for the other half of the time. Once again showing you are making statements without actually knowing anything.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You said it no one else did.

Once again I thought you said you were keeping up with the posts. Or do you have a selective reading disorder?

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You threatened Extortion because someone else didn't support your stance.

once again you give me too much credit if you think I could single handedly "extort" the server to do what I want. Extortion, Dictation, Socialism, whatever you ragers want to try to label it, is absolute nonsense. People have the right to hold out if the terms presented to them by the minority are seen as completely unacceptable, so that we can all work together and work something out that is actually going to work for the present and the future going into Velious. This is what Rogean has tasked people with. And im not alone in this.

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had to eat crow last night because of something I said and guess what you do too.

You are sorely mistaken if you think I regret the statement I made [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I want something that is better for all of us. not just you and not just me. And considering the particular few people that statement has drawn the most ire from, im feeling pretty morally safe

You have thus far offered nothing of value to this conversation other than trying to slander and discredit others

in before NUH UH!!!!

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I"ll be honest. It looks like Taken and BDA and whoever else are simply trying to squeeze more out of this situation because the GMs gave you the power to do so. Your right, raid suspension hurts the big guilds more. And yes, GMs want a unanimous agreement from all guilds.

Let's imagine that we weren't threatened with a raid suspension and this current proposal was posted. People would go fucking INSANE for it. Big guilds said they are willing to give up tons of targets every month, including 1/4th of the ones they want the most. Guilds that were previously getting nothing, can get multiple targets weekly. They can set up a rotation between themselves if they don't want to do any work. That's left up to them. And still allowed to compete with the top guilds if they choose to. Nothing even close to this has ever been on the table. It would be accepted without a second thought, there would be no holding out for MORE. Want some inside info? This agreement was drafted and posted on our boards for review a day before Sirken's threat. Our officers didn't come up with this because they had the threat of a suspension looming. They actually wanted to make the raid scene better. And you all shit on it like this, just because you can.

I've got an idea. TMO perma-banned from all non-VP content. If they want an epic for a 4th alt, they can buy it from A-Team.

[Tuljin]

FORUMQUEST