End of the rotation?

[Argh]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've made the argument plenty of times, the staff has made it perfectly clear that they don't give a fuck about my argument.

So you were/are wrong then?

[Fanguru]

That's compatible. The primary goal for going C is to get VP kills. To get there, a R guild has to sacrifice their playstyle.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you were/are wrong then?

Idealistically, I'd like to think there's a playstyle difference between class R and class C, and as the past year of the rotation has demonstrated that's probably an accurate statement. I don't want to see the rotation blow up but changes were necessary to make it more fair to the bigger guilds. BDA played peacekeeper and enforcer this entire time with Div/Taken having mindsets that are close to what's just been proposed and everyone else having a mindset closer to the old rotation guidelines.

BDA got tired of playing peacekeeper and we've called for tighter rotation regulations (which is exactly what Divinity/Taken wanted from the beginning) but suddenly we're the hypocrites and destroyers of the rotation. The system had flaws, we want the flaws fixed, simple as that. Unfortunately, being the enforcer is a double edged sword.

Originally Posted by Fanguru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's compatible. The primary goal for going C is to get VP kills. To get there, a R guild has to sacrifice their playstyle.

Basically. Under optimal conditions with people giving out their info to be shared we maximized every single VP account we could get and dropped Hoshkar on our 3rd try. Nexona, we wiped once. Everything else we obliterated in VP. It still doesn't mean we're ready for the shitshow that is IB/TMO VP fights.

[Verenity]

Burn it all to the ground, FFA EQ is the best EQ and you'll feel a shit ton more proud of your accomplishments if you're fighting for your dragon slaying

Disclaimer: this is the opinion of someone who has not actively raided in 2.5 years

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Verenity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burn it all to the ground, FFA EQ is the best EQ and you'll feel a shit ton more proud of your accomplishments if you're fighting for your dragon slaying

Disclaimer: this is the opinion of someone who has not actively raided in 2.5 years

I'm going to donate your fantasy football winnings to the guildbank if you don't come get it off my mule!!

[Raev]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA got tired of playing peacekeeper and we've called for tighter rotation regulations (which is exactly what Divinity/Taken wanted from the beginning) but suddenly we're the hypocrites and destroyers of the rotation. The system had flaws, we want the flaws fixed, simple as that. Unfortunately, being the enforcer is a double edged sword.

No, you played bully. Your only goals were to have some proposal with the letters BDA on it and to be able to hassle the guilds you dislike as much as possible. The A-Team made the following proposal, and it was soundly rejected by BDA and Divinity (Taken at least thought it was a start). Read it and look at how much this actually does:

Originally Posted by The A-Team

1. There is a tier system.
2. There are dark hours, and alliances are allowed during dark hours, but will come with a soft penalty. Alliances of any sort are not allowed during light hours.
3. The following penalties apply equally to light and dark hour kills (note that the notation '+X' indicates that the guild will drop X slots in the rotation):

-- +1 penalty across the tier for alliances during dark hours. That guild is not required to maintain this alliance for any subsequent kills. (Alliances during light hours are of course not allowed).
-- If you fail to kill your target within 60 minutes (90 minutes for CT), +1 penalty on that target only.
-- If you fail to kill your target within 3 hours: +4 penalty across the tier, +2 across other tiers and the target now become FFA within class R.
-- If class C kills your mob: +4 penalty across all tiers

Meanwhile BDA's proposal is 3 pages of vague small point lawyering, and a 60 minute engage window on CT. If they don't want to see a guild on tier 3? They can just make a giant mess of fear while Draco is up.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow

Does that mean BDA or Taken are even close to taking FFA kills from TMO or IB, I know BDA isn't.

We agree, which is why your "accept our three pages of idiocy or else" proposal is mind boggling.

[Formshifter]

The bottom line here is that the rotation fucks up the game, and the rotation exists because people like chest cry because theyre unwilling to put forth the effort, but still want all the pixels.



If youre unwilling to participate in the race, why on earth do you think youre deserving of a trophy? Its like kid's sports teams giving everyone a trophy even when they lose. pretty soon they start to expect it in stead of learning that its something you earn.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want to see the rotation blow up but changes were necessary to make it more fair to the bigger guilds. BDA played peacekeeper and enforcer this entire time with Div/Taken having mindsets that are close to what's just been proposed and everyone else having a mindset closer to the old rotation guidelines.

Yeah, I can tell you guys are super serious about not wanting to blow up the rotation, by officially threatening to blow up the rotation if your list of demands wasn't met.

Have you guys yet come to the conclusion that you are perennially displeased with rules because you are just plain awful at negotiating with people due to the fact that your strategy thus far (the last year+) has been to be skullduggerous condescending cunts in the hopes that everyone will be afraid of your threats and acquiesce to whatever demands you have, rather than establishing a civil rapport with the 7 other guilds you find yourself constantly at odds with?

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Argh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I can tell you guys are super serious about not wanting to blow up the rotation, by officially threatening to blow up the rotation if your list of demands wasn't met.

Have you guys yet come to the conclusion that you are perennially displeased with rules because you are just plain awful at negotiating with people due to the fact that your strategy thus far (the last year+) has been to be skullduggerous condescending cunts in the hopes that everyone will be afraid of your threats and acquiesce to whatever demands you have, rather than establishing a civil rapport with the 7 other guilds you find yourself constantly at odds with?

What are you talking about, Argh?

BDA's been fucking Switzerland in any other issues internal to Class R, and when we've had to help tip the scales to one side or another to finalize a determination we've sided with "the smalls" - not Div and Taken.

So since this is the first time that BDA is driving for changes, we're tyrannical and shitting on everyone. Well played.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by Anichek [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you talking about, Argh?

BDA's been fucking Switzerland in any other issues internal to Class R, and when we've had to help tip the scales to one side or another to finalize a determination we've sided with "the smalls" - not Div and Taken.

So since this is the first time that BDA is driving for changes, we're tyrannical and shitting on everyone. Well played.

you=you people