If you believe in god, you're an idiot...

[purist]

inb4 Harrison summons his brother to the thread to defend his e-dignity

[Harrison]

Lol I could "summon" at the very least 5 people, but to the likes of you nothings? I'll have to repeat the: "LAWL" part....

[Succession]

My thoughts on Atheism:

I would rather live my entire life believing in God only to find out when I die that there is no Heaven/Hell than live my life denying God only to find out when I die that God is real and consequently spending Eternity in the Burning Depths of Hell. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atleast believe in something, man. Anything.. :/

If there really is an afterlife, you don't want to be one of those lost souls just floating about in limbo for eternity. Come join the party. Those Islamic guys are gonna be chillin with 69 virgins, I know you love that. Or maybe those Christians will invite you over to the Golden Streets of Heaven? Shit man, you could even party in Hell if you're in to that kind of stuff. Maybe, the Buddhists will hook you up with some Nirvana. I mean, group up with the Agnostics and discuss your own ideas if you want. They'll be around I'm sure, atleast some of them.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really care that much about your tiny significance of a mortal, humanly life to blindly denounce God(s)? Why are you mad? Forgive your debtors my friend. Coexistence is possible.

You're human flesh has an expiration date, no matter what you believe in. We all die. You're belief in nothing will lead you, that is for sure. It will lead you to die alone. You're soul will drift from your dead body alone, into nothing, forever.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have faith, in something.
Treat your Soul to a Divine existence, bro.
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[Hauling]

Originally Posted by Succession [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My thoughts on Atheism:

I would rather live my entire life believing in God only to find out when I die that there is no Heaven/Hell than live my life denying God only to find out when I die that God is real and consequently spending Eternity in the Burning Depths of Hell. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a rock that keeps bears away. I'll sell it to you for $500. Would you rather go the rest of your life in danger of being attacked by a bear, or would you rather buy my rock and be disappointed in the event it doesn't work?

I'm pretty certain being a just-in-case believer doesn't count from everything I've ever heard about religion. It's like telling Santa Claus you've been a good boy when you've been stealing the other kids' lunch money.

[Abysis]

Its not really someone's fault if they don't believe in God. And fear of shitty afterlife doesn't make you believe it just makes you pretend and lie to yourself.

Like if someone told you that you would go to hell if you didn't believe that the sun was cold and the sky was green would you believe that?

It has to be believable to be believed. Some are more gullible then others, and i guess they get to go to heaven. Skeptics go to hell.

But hey God made them skeptical so its kinda his fault.

Unless you play the free will card then the argument gets even dumber, with a totalitarian belief system you must follow or you spend eternity in pain and suffering for just not buying some far fetched idea. And all this from someone who loves you.

[Hauling]

Originally Posted by Hmend [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

God vs. Science
"Let me explain the problem science has with religion."

The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?'

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely '

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible! He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good...!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. 'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent. 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er..yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one.. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer. 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them ?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. 'Who created them?' There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.

'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing. 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist... What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such thing as heat? '

' Yes.

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we
would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy..

Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.. 'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.' 'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided. 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room. 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter. 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so.. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.. 'I Guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues. 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?' Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it Everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in The multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God.. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.'


The professor sat down..

A few thoughts about this story:

1.) Heat and light can be measured. God cannot. That analogy does not fit.

2.) Evolution has been proven. Just because the "student" in your story has not read a newspaper in 150 years doesn't mean it hasn't. If you yourself need proof of evolution, go catch pneumonia and stop taking your antibiotics as soon as you are feeling better instead of when the doctor recommends. You may even find proof there is no god this way.

3.) A philosophy professor who is an atheist would have heard all these flawed arguments a thousand times before and would most certainly have a well-reasoned rebuttal to every one of them, especially considering it's the same crap that has been circulating the internet in chain letters for the past 20 years.

4.) The argument about the professor not having a brain is both stupid and flawed. The fact that he does have a brain can be measured without seeing inside his skull merely by the fact that he is walking and talking. It doesn't take faith to know there's a fire when you see smoke.

5.) I'll give it to you that there is no evil, but also that there is no good. At least not inherently. The universe is indifferent. No matter what happens, it trudges along with or without us. We live on one planet in a galaxy of billions and in a universe of billions of galaxies and then some. If an asteroid wiped us out, sure it'd be a shame to us, but I doubt we'd be missed or even noticed.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Slathar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

great explanation of how its very different. not.

I was referring to their natural resources. and wasn't flaming you. I actually admire those countries.

and I wouldn't call USA rich, China owns USA now and has for many years. I can see how it would be easy tho thing it's a rich country however.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Hmend [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so.. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

lolll
such poor arguments.

crack his skull open you will find his brain. that's what science would prove easily if it experimented. and we have done so in the past, we know it's there, we don't need to open everyone's skulls to know if they have a brain or not.
fucking retard!

did you see evolution, no it happens over millions of years, humans don't have that kind of life span, which is normal since we are talking evolution... it happens from generations to generations to generations ... ... .. and so on. we are still evolving as we speak. we don't notice it, but if humans are still around in 500 000 years I can assure you they wont look exactly like we do now.
we didn't notice it, but with our brains (that no one can prove we have) we were able to dig up and examine and test (with science, not faith) fociles and preserved bodies and such.
did you ever see a real live dinosaur? no, did they exist? damn right they did.

can you be more retarded. I guess, you can believe in creationism.

I don't even understand how anyone with even high school education can believe in that shit, it's just ridiculous!

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol I could "summon" at the very least 5 people, but to the likes of you nothings? I'll have to repeat the: "LAWL" part....

you have 5 friends?

WOW I wish I was cool like you, then I could have at least 5 friends as well.

[Henini]

Originally Posted by Hauling [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a rock that keeps bears away. I'll sell it to you for $500. Would you rather go the rest of your life in danger of being attacked by a bear, or would you rather buy my rock and be disappointed in the event it doesn't work?

This could work on ebay!

*goes to ebay


yes I do realize I have man consecutive posts in this thread now. it's boring at work OK!!!!

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