The People vs. Nirgon. Charges: Illiteracy, Obstruction of Justice, Cowardice.

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Bhairava [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

forum legend nirgon

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[Bhairava]

giving nirdawg his due respect seems to upset u

maybe take a break from the forems if they make work u up this much

[Horza]

What are true Americans?

[Buvarian]

A high and worthy topic to be sure. What is the true spirit of our political institutions? What is it, taking those institutions for our criteria, to be a true American? We also want to know in what direction we are to act as American patriots and citizens, to pay the highest veneration to the memory of our fathers, to preserve the politican inheritance which they earned and secured for us; and by acting in the line of their policy to hand down that inheritance to our children, to the latest generation.

I suppose it will not be denied by any intelligent citizen of this country, that our fathers had some clear and well defined end in the organization, not only of the great general government under which we live, but also of the different state governments which then existed, and between all which, as well as those since organized, there is, in all general and essential principles, great uniformity and agreement: and this is a striking and important fact to prove the spirit and purposes of the people, for they are all popular governments.

I suppose it is not difficult for us to ascertain and define what those great ends and aims were, and I suppose further and thank God for it, that no man will deny but that those aims and ends were nobble, wise, and philanthropic. To such aims and ends they were directed by an All-wise and Beneficent Providence, whose care and whose guidance they ever delighted devoutly to acknowledge.

I suppose further, that that end being discovered, that they, and only they, are truly American, who acts and operated according to the best of their ability in the line of these purposes, and toward their great aims. That purpose I now announce: It was to establish everywhere, among all these growing states and increasing people, DEMOCRATIC, REPUBLICAN, POPULAR, CIVIL, and RELIGIOUS, freedom.

[Horza]

So the gist of what you're saying is that true Americans are Christians (or at least monotheists)? I suppose that's a small improvement from Agatha's white nationalism.

[Buvarian]

Originally Posted by Horza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So the gist of what you're saying is that true Americans are Christians (or at least monotheists)? I suppose that's a small improvement from Agatha's white nationalism.

You misapprehend, please allow me to elaborate. The idea of Religious Freedom is one which should be sacredly and steadfastly cherished by the true American. And by religious freedom I do also include irreligious freedom. I believe though that the very idea of religious toleration, in our government, is based upon the deep conviction of the sacredness to man of his religious duties and obligations.

It is not from indifference to religious that all various forms are tolerated among us, but from a high and sacred regard for it. It is a confession on the part of the state that those relations are too high and solemn for any human interference, and that they are sacred to god, and the individual conscience. It is urged that no man has a right to disbelieve religious truth, and therefore government cannot protect such a right lawfully. Now let these men remember that we admit that no man has a right, as he is related to his God, to reject truth and choose error. But who is to be the judge of this matter of fact? It is man or is it God? We say God: the man is responsible indeed, but, in the language of religious freedom, responsible to God alone. He is responsible to no man, or set of men, be they either a state or a church. This is the doctrine of our constitution and of our laws. We do not hold that men are irresponsible in this high matter, but that they are irresponsible to their weak and erring fellows, and responsible alone to the all-wise and all-impartial judgement of the great searcher of hearts. To say therefore that a tolerant government is irreligious, is a positive libel; it is just, because they believe in a great and infinite God, who is well able to take care of the affairs of his own empire, without our mistaken, and bigoted, and fanatic aid, and who holds an equal balance to all hearts; just, because we believe in the deep solemnity of man's responsibility to God, that the state refuses itself to interfere with it, and mark, will as sternly refuse to let any sect or church interfere with it. The state in this country has been careful not to ally itself with the church- it leaves that free, and stands free itself. Let no church abuse this freedom, by setting itself in its policy against the fundamental law of the state, seeking to make itself a mere instrument of religious tyranny and despotism; let the American citizen of every sect sternly guard against the intrusion of this spirit: it is the spirit of despotism, alien to our constitution and government.

[Asteria]

Imagine being compelled to talk religion and politics for years with other Archaic Elfsim nerds on such an obscure/niche website. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Christendom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

imagine sterilizing and irreversibly mutilating god's gift out of the ego's desire to avoid the introspective gaze.

no

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Christendom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who the son sets free, is free indeed.

[Asteria]

Originally Posted by Buvarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You misapprehend, please allow me to elaborate. The idea of Religious Freedom is one which should be sacredly and steadfastly cherished by the true American. And by religious freedom I do also include irreligious freedom. I believe though that the very idea of religious toleration, in our government, is based upon the deep conviction of the sacredness to man of his religious duties and obligations.

It is not from indifference to religious that all various forms are tolerated among us, but from a high and sacred regard for it. It is a confession on the part of the state that those relations are too high and solemn for any human interference, and that they are sacred to god, and the individual conscience. It is urged that no man has a right to disbelieve religious truth, and therefore government cannot protect such a right lawfully. Now let these men remember that we admit that no man has a right, as he is related to his God, to reject truth and choose error. But who is to be the judge of this matter of fact? It is man or is it God? We say God: the man is responsible indeed, but, in the language of religious freedom, responsible to God alone. He is responsible to no man, or set of men, be they either a state or a church. This is the doctrine of our constitution and of our laws. We do not hold that men are irresponsible in this high matter, but that they are irresponsible to their weak and erring fellows, and responsible alone to the all-wise and all-impartial judgement of the great searcher of hearts. To say therefore that a tolerant government is irreligious, is a positive libel; it is just, because they believe in a great and infinite God, who is well able to take care of the affairs of his own empire, without our mistaken, and bigoted, and fanatic aid, and who holds an equal balance to all hearts; just, because we believe in the deep solemnity of man's responsibility to God, that the state refuses itself to interfere with it, and mark, will as sternly refuse to let any sect or church interfere with it. The state in this country has been careful not to ally itself with the church- it leaves that free, and stands free itself. Let no church abuse this freedom, by setting itself in its policy against the fundamental law of the state, seeking to make itself a mere instrument of religious tyranny and despotism; let the American citizen of every sect sternly guard against the intrusion of this spirit: it is the spirit of despotism, alien to our constitution and government.

Originally Posted by Christendom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Who the son sets free, is free indeed.

yIKES....it's arguing with itself again...posting Pokemon pictures was more entertaining. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]