Any Young-Earth Creationists?

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I seriously don't get how you can have such poor reasoning skills. You say we don't know how the universe was created, at the same time admitting that it was created at some point. Yet you cannot make the simple leap of logic that suggests that anything that is created has a creator. You were created, therefor you have a creator. Who was your creator? Your mother and your father. The computer you're using was also created. Therefor it has a creator.

The universe was created, therefor it has a creator. The science is irrelevant in the matter. Science is merely the reverse engineering of the mechanisms which govern the physical world. Science has no jurisdiction outside of physical reality and therefor could never be used to measure anything beyond it. Since we know the universe didn't always exist, we know there is something beyond physical reality.

Time is kind of a squishy concept that probably doesn't exist outside the scope of this universe being it's one of its dimensions and all. This isn't to say that there is an eternal god, but I am suggesting the idea that the universe has always existed, since all time would be confined to it, but I'm just pontificating. So, if the universe has always existed, then there is no need for your creator, by the logic of your arguments.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Time is kind of a squishy concept that probably doesn't exist outside the scope of this universe being it's one of its dimensions and all. This isn't to say that there is an eternal god, but I am suggesting the idea that the universe has always existed, since all time would be confined to it, but I'm just pontificating. So, if the universe has always existed, then there is no need for your creator, by the logic of your arguments.

No! It's impossible! EVERYTHING has a creator!

[Rhambuk]

I just realized I create sperm, dna, thus I am god.

Bow down or feel my wrath

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet you cannot make the simple leap of logic that suggests that anything that is created has a creator.

That's not a leap of logic, that's a reprehensible miscarriage of logic.

"Anything that is created has a creator".

Then your creator had to have a creator right? No? Exempt from your own rule?

My position is simply this: We don't know how the observable universe was created.

I'm not making a claim. I don't need evidence, and I don't need to defend jack shit, because my position isn't rooted in half-baked beliefs backed up by circular logic and selective reasoning.

If you're going to tell me an omnipotent being created the universe, you better have some evidence better than "Well I don't understand how else it could have happened!". Show me evidence and I'll gladly believe you.

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That regardless of how we arrived at life as we know it currently, original matter suddenly appeared or instead that it was created somehow? Just wondering the most unbiased logical conclusion here with the highest probability of accuracy given unknown information.

Again, the same problem arises when you ask: creator suddenly appeared or instead that it was created somehow? Why not skip a step? But no more cop-outs!

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Zadrian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, you can say, "but how did the big bang happen? It has to be gods, or humanoid lizards rait??!" The answer is simple, we have yet to find out.

Look at it this way, the world makes a lot more sense when seeking knowledge based on the big bang theory... Meaning that the way it is described to us post-big bang makes a lot more sense because we can see all of the evidence. Scientific discoveries can actually be viewed.

The universe does not function as it is written in the bible, or any other religious texts (world-wide floods, dude carrying the sun in a boat, some folks living on a mountain, or some asshole offering you 72 virgins for blowing yourself up ((which I heard isn't even in the Qu'ran)))

A couple things to start. 1) I'm not talking about the big bang in any way, rather the origination of matter that would be required to substantiate a big bang. 2) I'm not making an argument towards a Christian worldview in any way.

You're making a number of stereotypical assumptions under the guise that an argument questioning if matter could have been created is an abomination to all 'life sciences'. Relax and try to embrace independent thoughtful discussion as opposed to insult.

I do find it humorous that in posts such as yours there is a blatant acknowledgement of nearly complete ignorance about the working of the universe accompanied by a direct assertion that it is certainly not what is described by any religion.

[Rhambuk]

its easier to believe that a creator appeared out of nothing than the universe...somehow

[Hailto]

Ephirith is dunking on you fools.

[vaylorie]

Originally Posted by Ephirith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My position is simply this: We don't know how the observable universe was created.

Well said, the universe was created somehow, but science is unable to explain it to date.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by vaylorie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well said, the universe was created somehow, but science is unable to explain it to date.

making something up doesnt explain it any better

[Ephirith]

Originally Posted by Nocturne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry but this isn't true at all. Someone knowing the outcome of an event has zero impact on your free will ability to make that choice in the first place. It's no different then saying that having a gun to your head means you have no free will. Even with a gun at your head you still have a choice. The only reasonable argument that could be made against free will are babies since they essentially don't have the ability to exercise their free will and are entirely dependent upon the free will of other beings to care for them.

Why goes on when you make a decision? Your brain chemistry, your upbringing, the state of your consciousness, all coalesce to produce an outcome. But all of those things are determined by external influences. Brain chemistry, by genetics and environment. Your aggregate experiences shaped you to be a certain way. The state of your consciousness is the way it is because of all the events that happened before and during your life, including the construction of your genetic code.

Again, you are choosing what to do, but you aren't choosing what to choose.

You don't have an ability to make a choice other than the one dictated by almost infinitely complex, linear interactions of causality stretching back to the beginning of time, or infinitely.