GMs deleting posts that criticise them

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by darkblade717 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sony did it without Fraps. Fuck, Sony did it without anyone on their staff having an IQ over 90! 30 seconds is a 'whole lot of video' when you're trying to avoid the train. Most people don't even realize what happened until it's all over, and by then a video is kinda useless. It IS your job to enforce the server rules. If people have multiple offenses of being asshats in game, why even let them continue playing?

This has been dealt with before. Sony banned people who were innocent because it was easy to forge evidence against them. Also, to act like Sony enforced the rules against trainers all the time is just laughable - I was in highpass and had a monk FD train me twice and brag about it to the entire zone back in 2001, and there was no justice for him, despite all of the evidence against him (screenshots, his /shout that he trained some poor lowbie, the dozen or so people who read that /shout, etc.) I honestly forget what the GM's response was when I petitioned it (I believe it was something to the effect of intentional training actually not being against the rules (which, if true, is just dumb) but the GM may have just told me that I didn't have enough proof).

[Uaellaen]

My favorite Sony GM response: "Works as intended" (TM)

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by darkblade717 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got screenshots of someone in Wrathful Inquisition (Smakyn) straight out telling me that he and his friends have been petitioned a ton of times, yet there are no consequences because their guild leader is on the dev team, so you can't really tell me there's no favoritism going on.

a) I'm not aware of any complaints against Smakyn doing anything wrong, either as his guild leader or as a dev
b) Try contacting an officer in WI or myself next time you have a problem with a member of WI
c) I'm not aware of any devs/GMs ignoring any complaints against any member of WI, in fact, if anything, we're under more scrutiny than everyone else precisely because I'm a dev

That said, proof or it didn't happen. I take a harsh view of any member of WI doing anything against server policy. I devote a significant portion of my time to this server, both as the leader of a guild and as a dev, and I have no tolerance for people who break the server rules. I also have no time for idiots who post "complaints" in RnF without attempting to resolve the issue via proper channels, and who make accusations against my guild or it's members without any sort of details or proof.

[Loke]

Bum, every interaction I've had with you and everything I've heard leads me to believe that you're a good guy and a competent guild leader. That being said, I find it hard to believe you don't know about at least a few minor violations of server policy within your guild when even I do.

Now before you get offended - there isn't a guild on this server that doesn't have a member or two break a rule from time to time. I know if members of DA, IB, WI, hell, even Remedy that have broken rules (not Divinity just because I don't think I've ever had more than a few words in passing with anyone from that guild - but I'd be willing to be it even happens within their ranks). Guilds are going to have members who do dumb stuff - to pretend that it doesn't happen is silly and to claim you don't know about it means you're either blind, incompentent or a liar.

What is important is that it is handled. I'm not saying that every member that breaks a rule needs to get reported and banned - I think that is silly as well. But it is just as much the job of the players to police their own as it is of the GM's to enforce the server rules. I think every GM here would agree that if a minor server violation can be handled in house and reduce their work load, that it is perfectly acceptable to do so.

It's just like in real life, if a kid shop lifts or your buddy gets drunk and decides to knock over a park bench or something - you don't call the cops, but you let them know that they're dumb and that their behavior is unacceptable.

Basically I think you run a tight ship, and I don't agree with people coming here and calling you out over some random member as opposed to handling stuff in game - I guess this isn't even directed towards you all that much even, it's more just a rant about how no guild is comprised of 100% upstanding rule abiding members - it's just the way things work. For people to pretend that their guild is this spotless shining beacon of honesty and fair play while calling someone else out is just ridiculous.

Ok, it's really hot in this classroom and I can't remember where I was going with this so done~

[darkblade717]

Originally Posted by Abacabb [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol, the same people crying about getting trained in EQ are the same people that cry because they get tactical nuked in CoD:MW2 because they can't handle gun-runners.

What was that? I'm a little rusty on my retard-speak so you're going to have to get someone to type that again for you.

[Bumamgar]

Loke: I never claimed my guild members were all saints.

What I said was that I am not aware of any specific issue with Smakyn, and that the proper way to deal with an issue, if it exists, is to contact the leadership of WI (in game, via our forum, via this forum, etc).

I also stated that when presented with a verifiable complaint against one of my members, I take a zero tolerance stance. I have always been a "no drama" kind of guy, and if a member of WI is causing drama, they won't be a member for long. This has nothing to do with my dev status, it's just how I run my guild.

I do not, however, blindly believe every complaint raised against my members. WI has always been an active raiding guild and as such we are often the target of grief, both in game and on forums. We're not saints, we're mostly ego driven competitive players, and as such, we're likely to piss people off from time to time. As long as we're operating within the rules, that's fine, and I will defend the actions of my guildmembers. My point being, I don't just arbitrarily boot people from WI because someone else claims they did something. However, I do not stand for members of WI acting against the rules of the server, so verifiable claims of exploiting, griefing etc. will be dealt with harshly, generally with /guildremoval, and if the situation warrants it, a request to the GMs for a suspension or ban.

Frankly, if anything, being in WI means that a person is going to be subjected to a higher standard than a normal guild because I have both the interests of my guild, and the interests of the server, at heart, and will react harshly to any member who goes against those interests.

[Agaron]

GM's shouldn't be able to play a standard toon period, yet alone run a raiding guild imo. Problem solved.

[Ihealyou]

I'm pretty sure Bumamgar is just a dev. He doesn't have any GM powers.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure Bumamgar is just a dev. He doesn't have any GM powers.

You are correct, and he's a source developer at that. Not content.

I wish people knew the differences in GMs, developers, source developers and content developers.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Agaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

GM's shouldn't be able to play a standard toon period, yet alone run a raiding guild imo. Problem solved.

lol, you're an idiot. Sadly your problem will never be solved.