Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Tasslehofp99]

Training is one of the least enforced portions of whatever play nice policy exists on p99.


Sad but 100% true.


The burden of proof is on the victim and nothing short of a fraps showing intent will yield any justice. Someone can basically train you repeatedly and not ever be punished if you don't have proof.


I always assumed that proof of training could easily be pulled from logs if a correct time of incidence is provided. Even if 5 people petition the same trainer that is never enough.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Trouble [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To elaborate a little bit- mobs under level 20 will not work for low-hp kiting. Also, you can pull mobs from a low hp bait in OT. Get a low 30s bard and have him try to kill some of the really high hp tigers before he gets aggro. It's a coin flip at best. It's not based on how much damage you do as much as it is based on how many times you've dotted the mob. The higher you get and the more damage your dots do, the more damage you can do to a mob before you peel it off your bait.

That sounds about right in terms of how many times you cast the spell. I've seen tigers turn on people that get resisted a lot.

Is there a hard rule of how many times a mob can be cast on by a person before it flips? Do certain spells/songs cause it to flip sooner due to creating more aggro?

I feel like these are questions that aren't ever really going to be answered.

[Trouble]

Originally Posted by zanderklocke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That sounds about right in terms of how many times you cast the spell. I've seen tigers turn on people that get resisted a lot.

Is there a hard rule of how many times a mob can be cast on by a person before it flips? Do certain spells/songs cause it to flip sooner due to creating more aggro?

I feel like these are questions that aren't ever really going to be answered.

I'd say yea, since different songs add different amounts of hate- same with spells.

Best way I've found to know when it's time to zone is- after a certain point that you get a feel for, especially in BW if you target a specific mob and track it's hp, is to back off the kite after each round of dots and see if you get sit aggro. If not, let Selo's tick twice or so then get back in and do another round. The longer you let your dots tick away before reapplying them the more damage you can do before having to clear hate.

[zanderklocke]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a bard runs through, swipes all the mobs and I fight a tiger, all of that bards tigers WILL socially aggro me because I am actively killing a tiger vs just proximity aggroing a mob.

What you just said isn't always entirely correct just FYI. If he only runs by them and gets them by proximity aggro, what you explained can happen. However, if the bard actually engages them (snare/damage/etc) rather than getting body aggro, they will not attack you.

Essentially, when the bard is aggroing mobs onto you, s/he is just being careless and using body aggro on KOS mobs.

Not that this charges your point in this thread, but it might clarify why you would or wouldn't get mobs attacking you.

I'm not 100% positive, but I believe if all of the mobs involved are green to the bard, I don't think his body aggro on a mob will pop it onto you if he runs by. Not entirely sure about this.

Last, I guess I don't understand what the point of this thread is aside from people sharing bad experiences they've had with bards or others defending bards. The mechanics of bard AEing exists in the game, and the problem lies with people utilizing this mechanic sloppily rather than the bard class itself. With that being said, what do you hope to gain from this thread aside from a PSA of your frustration? I mean every single bard that doesn't have his or her head under a rock has heard these complaints before. I don't mean my question in a hostile manner; I just don't see anything coming from this discussion. It seems like maybe it's something better fit for the Rants and Flames section of the forums.

Until bard AEing is nerfed, which is not likely, things are not going to change in zones where bards can AE. Too many bards just don't give a shit or are sloppy.

[t0lkien]

Yes, the problem is the players not the class. And strangely, I've had situations created because there are those who now think it's ok to do anything to a Bard because they're a Bard (steal mobs etc.) and that the bad behaviour of some Bards justifies this.

Anyway, I love the Bard class. It's absolutely unique in RPGs. No other game has done anything even close to what EQ did with the class. Half design, half accident, it's all awesomeness to me. All I try to do is repair some of the damage done by being overly considerate and helpful where I can. Mind you, there are many on p99 like that in all classes, and they far outweigh the dicks in my experience. I've been helped unreasonably by people who have stopped their play, logged onto a cleric, and waited for a boat for 30mins just to rez me (yo Jaeden!) Never had that on live!

[Zyn]

I suck at swarm kiting lol

[Tasslehofp99]

Bottom line is you're going to get trained in any zone, class is irrelevant. Enforcement of training is very loose on the server unfortunately. Without indisputable fraps evidence that shows intent the trainers won't be held accountable 9/10 times.


This isn't anything new to p99.

[DarkwingDuck]

TMO bards.
This is all they do. Circle karnors castles, day n day out, training .(and other places )
I've yet to see a day go by without at least one group member dying to these douchebags trains.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by Zyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I suck at swarm kiting lol

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[mreynert]

Originally Posted by Durka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Umm, you are telling me to move so a bard can swarm? No, screw that. Bards need to avoid training. Simple solution. Just follow the rules.

Bards dont own a zone. The server does. The main rule is here is "play nice"

I dont care if a bard pulls every mob. If they get me killed in the process then its a problem.

Actually no, I did not say this at all. Everyone pulls from center, mobs always pathing here and there. If they say, overpull and die, go LD and die, and their mobs come running back onto you as a "train" because you decided to fight in the middle of the interstate, it's your own dumb fault.

Pull to the wall, this is not advice to avoid problem from bards alone, but everyone anywhere ever.