So who wants to see the potential teams?

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see why necromancers/rangers/druids/sks/paladins would make a big difference on a team. Those obstacles are easily overcome. Yes it would suck to not have summon corpse on a team but you are giving up druids/rangers/paladins for this. If your corpse rots the GMs even get it for you on these servers, big deal.

If you have to say a team won't survive without summon corpse and GMs agree that this one spell breaks the game, then yes do something like potions.

As long as all teams have enchanters/wizards/bards/warrior/monk/cleric/rogues/shamans they are good to go.

I'm not trying to flame, but did you play on SZ? Losing out on SKs and necros was a big deal and not just because of summon corpse.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not trying to flame, but did you play on SZ? Losing out on SKs and necros was a big deal and not just because of summon corpse.

No I played on TZ

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Lowlife [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirk, any luck on getting another twitch roundtable going with everyones schedules? or possible eta on publication of possible team composition ideas from the staff internals?

im not sure how successful some of the upper staff feel the first round table discussion went. my first request was friday night, and it was not met with open arms. also, anyone with Vel access is only working on Velious i think (might be wrong on that). i'll keep trying, but no promises

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im not sure how successful some of the upper staff feel the first round table discussion went. my first request was friday night, and it was not met with open arms. also, anyone with Vel access is only working on Velious i think (might be wrong on that). i'll keep trying, but no promises

Agreed.. get Velious out first.. then lets hammer out teams.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im not sure how successful some of the upper staff feel the first round table discussion went. my first request was friday night, and it was not met with open arms. also, anyone with Vel access is only working on Velious i think (might be wrong on that). i'll keep trying, but no promises

That's disappointing but understandable.

I think a couple things that could help spur some good discussion here is if we knew what the general dev consensus was on a few things, or what is completely up in the air.

For example, if it is a 100% lock we're not using a strict classic VZTZ or SZ live ruleset then let us know so we can move on from that debate and focus on other things.

Second, a rough timeline would be helpful. I'm not talking release dates as we know that isn't going to happen. More like:

1. We release Velious
2. T99 opens 6-12 months after Velious release (or if even that is too specific, just say "sometime after Velious").
3. Server will be progression based (or not), no Kunark/Velious from the start or whatever is decided, or if it is still up in the air.
4. R99 merged with T99 6-12 months after T99 release (or at the very least confirm if a merge will be imminent or if that hasn't been decided yet).

I think what is steering people off course a bit here is the debate of SZ classic vs non classic ruleset and if/when a merge should happen. Progression vs non progression has a huge effect on team discussion, mostly if iksars are involved initially or not. If those decisions have been made we can move on from those debates and instead focus on what is still in flux, hopefully giving the developers some quality ideas in the process.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's disappointing but understandable.

I think a couple things that could help spur some good discussion here is if we knew what the general dev consensus was on a few things, or what is completely up in the air.

For example, if it is a 100% lock we're not using a strict classic VZTZ or SZ live ruleset then let us know so we can move on from that debate and focus on other things.

Second, a rough timeline would be helpful. I'm not talking release dates as we know that isn't going to happen. More like:

1. We release Velious
2. T99 opens 6-12 months after Velious release (or if even that is too specific, just say "sometime after Velious").
3. Server will be progression based (or not), no Kunark/Velious from the start or whatever is decided, or if it is still up in the air.
4. R99 merged with T99 6-12 months after T99 release (or at the very least confirm if a merge will be imminent or if that hasn't been decided yet).

I think what is steering people off course a bit here is the debate of SZ classic vs non classic ruleset and if/when a merge should happen. Progression vs non progression has a huge effect on team discussion, mostly if iksars are involved initially or not. If those decisions have been made we can move on from those debates and instead focus on what is still in flux, hopefully giving the developers some quality ideas in the process.

These are pretty key questions I agree if we could get nailed down would great.

But honestly I feel even they have no idea the answers to these questions currently.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are pretty key questions I agree if we could get nailed down would great.

But honestly I feel even they have no idea the answers to these questions currently.

Even knowing they haven't made a decision is information.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even knowing they haven't made a decision is information.

They haven't made a decision.

When there is a merger down the road the success of team99 will determine what type of merger it is. At the time of merger the more popular server will absorb the other one, basically determining the rule set of the final pvp server.

Priority goes to Velious over everything but there are different people working on each project. What I believe is holding back teams right now is Alecta getting the pvp mechanics worked out 100%, which he hasn't had much time to work on yet. It is hard to line up which will happen first because the deciding factors are independent of each other.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's disappointing but understandable.

I think a couple things that could help spur some good discussion here is if we knew what the general dev consensus was on a few things, or what is completely up in the air.

For example, if it is a 100% lock we're not using a strict classic VZTZ or SZ live ruleset then let us know so we can move on from that debate and focus on other things.

Second, a rough timeline would be helpful. I'm not talking release dates as we know that isn't going to happen. More like:

1. We release Velious
2. T99 opens 6-12 months after Velious release (or if even that is too specific, just say "sometime after Velious").
3. Server will be progression based (or not), no Kunark/Velious from the start or whatever is decided, or if it is still up in the air.
4. R99 merged with T99 6-12 months after T99 release (or at the very least confirm if a merge will be imminent or if that hasn't been decided yet).

I think what is steering people off course a bit here is the debate of SZ classic vs non classic ruleset and if/when a merge should happen. Progression vs non progression has a huge effect on team discussion, mostly if iksars are involved initially or not. If those decisions have been made we can move on from those debates and instead focus on what is still in flux, hopefully giving the developers some quality ideas in the process.

we are pretty much agreed that we wont be copying any one particular live servers rule set.

1. Velious
2. T99 opens "sometime after velious"
3. i think rogean said probably very accelerated timeline on the live stream
4. we havent decided which server will be merged into which server, only that we wont be running 3 servers long term.

one thing most of the staff have differing ideas on is how best to do item loot, because we can do it anyway we want. live style, bagged items, random items, non lore only, etc etc and just about anything any of you can imagine. (we will not allow the looting of primary, offhand, range, or ammo slots)

[Sirken]

just for the record, every team make up we have tossed around (to my knowledge) has included summon corpse abilities on each team.