Selling Epics? Outrageous prices?

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard epic is arguably the best epic in the game imo, with cleric epic being the only point of contention. Completely game changing for how you play the class and the utility it provides. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about and probably has never played a bard to 60.

You obviously have never played a rogue to 60 if you think that.

[PsychoTass]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You obviously have never played a rogue to 60 if you think that.

Says the clown who didn't play one to 60 himself.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by PsychoTass [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Says the clown who didn't play one to 60 himself.

i did 50-60 that's the only part that matters anyways. Besides QF was 60 long before epics anyways.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bard epic is arguably the best epic in the game imo, with cleric epic being the only point of contention. Completely game changing for how you play the class and the utility it provides. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about and probably has never played a bard to 60.

The bard epic:

Nice stats and resists, but not game changing. Damage? With a 210 cap on dual wield and no double attack, bard melee is laughable, still not game changing.

The proc, then? The proc is very nice. 55% haste +30str/atk. Still not game changing.

So what's left? Well the bard epic acts as an all-instrument with a modifier of 18, including the singing skill.

Here is the thing. It's still not game changing whatsoever. What effect does an 18 modifier on singing? Your snare is a little bit better, your slow is a little bit better, you regen more mana per cast of the level 32 song, it boosts your psalm's damage shield a little bit better. How is that game changing.

You boost the stats of your songs by playing them with the epic, but then, it would be better to simply switch to the corresponding instrument. The brass instrument you buy from a vendor for a couple silver and copper has a better modifier (20) than the epic (18).

So either you don't know what you're talking about or i don't know what i'm talking about.

I'll go with i'm right and you're wrong, unless you can prove otherwise.

[Gaffin 7.0]

if i wanted to know how to be irrelevant to the game, say bards have best benefit epic, sell my accounts and be anon stalker on forums i could do that too

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Gaffin 7.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if i wanted to know how to be irrelevant to the game, say bards have best benefit epic, sell my accounts and be anon stalker on forums i could do that too

What? My comeback may have been old, but at least it was accurate. I was an officer of FE when you applied on Bouncerr, and a member of IB when you were pretending to be Gaffin. Also still have an army of L60s with epics.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Mad because wrong. So brings up the past. Only a idiot thinks bard epic would even be in the top 3.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What? My comeback may have been old, but at least it was accurate. I was an officer of FE when you applied on Bouncerr, and a member of IB when you were pretending to be Gaffin. Also still have an army of L60s with epics.

Loke, were you not popped in the great SEQ / MQ2 de-level / suspend wave?

[Loke]

Yes, because the reason you want a 1.8 mod on psalms is for the damage shields...

[Erydan Ouragan]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, because the reason you want a 1.8 mod on psalms is for the damage shields...

Well why else would you want it for then?

Stop talking all cryptic and mysterious like you have some arcane knowledge that you're the only one to know and just state it: what on the bard epic is so amazing that you absolutely have to have it? What is game changing about it?

Instead of swapping instruments, you can have one item equipped that gives a modifier to all instrument types. That modifier is 18 vs. 24, which is 180% vs. 240%, which seems like a significant difference until you realize that's the difference between a 48 point dot vs. a 36, 48 str. vs. 36, etc. So the difference is negligible, but you don't have to switch instruments constantly which, when you're twisting 4 songs, taking one second to swap instruments can make you miss your mark and one of your songs will drop- which can be disastrous in a dragon fight when you're twisting resists.


So, yeah, that is literally the definition of game-changing. It literally changes the way you play because you're not having to constantly swap instruments and can twist more songs.

Sorry Keke, but i disagree. You know you can switch instruments while your song is casting right? You have 3 seconds between each songs to switch to the appropriate instrument. Put instrument in secondary slot, start casting, when song pulses, start the second song and take a whole 3 seconds to switch to other instrument.

I do it while melee'ing and having a mob mezzed and another charmed hitting the main target.

Now if twisting resists is so critical to the success of your raid, you shouldn't be meleeing at all, resists songs are percussion, so you equip your drums (which provide more resists than the epic) and stand in range and twist resists.

My point being: if you have your epic and think that it will allow you to stop switching instruments, you're doing it wrong. Either you switch the instruments to get the maximum effect because the situation matters, or it doesnt and you dont switch instruments and keep meleeing, in which case having your epic is a non-factor because its modifier is lower or equal to the instruments you buy at the vendor.