h1z1

[Shrubwise]

We are playing on Overnight and having lots of fun, already gots a metal base WITH A DOOR. WHAAAAT

Also holy crap batman, so much loot rate increase since last patch!

[Big_Japan]

Item shops that affect gameplay are a dealbreaker. Always. 100% of the time.

Saying the buys are "optional" is missing the fact that the game's design philosophy has been subverted completely, from "something you purchase to have fun" into "something designed to manipulate you into shelling out money". You are literally playing a Skinner box designed to condition you into clicking the "pay" button.

Take a decent RMT system like CSGO skins. They're just cosmetic and even facilitate betting real money on matches using skins as pachinko chips, so I'd argue they actually add something to the game and competitive scene even if they're sometimes toxic distractions.

What you see instead with SOE is the expansion into a new market, the PC parasite game, related to the artform of gaming only peripherally and predicated on the fact that a lot of money gets thrown into gaming by people who are not at all tasteful or informed consumers. A business model pioneered by the likes of Zynga. A business model that depends on carefully, scientifically nickel-and-diming you using operant conditioning.

If you fall for it, you are a sucker and you are contributing to the subversion of popular gaming into another ad-infested mass-media shitfest. There is no other perspective to take on the matter but the oblivious one.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item shops that affect gameplay are a dealbreaker. Always. 100% of the time.

Saying the buys are "optional" is missing the fact that the game's design philosophy has been subverted completely, from "something you purchase to have fun" into "something designed to manipulate you into shelling out money". You are literally playing a Skinner box designed to condition you into clicking the "pay" button.

Take a decent RMT system like CSGO skins. They're just cosmetic and even facilitate betting real money on matches using skins as pachinko chips, so I'd argue they actually add something to the game and competitive scene even if they're sometimes toxic distractions.

What you see instead with SOE is the expansion into a new market, the PC parasite game, related to the artform of gaming only peripherally and predicated on the fact that a lot of money gets thrown into gaming by people who are not at all tasteful or informed consumers. A business model pioneered by the likes of Zynga. A business model that depends on carefully, scientifically nickel-and-diming you using operant conditioning.

If you fall for it, you are a sucker and you are contributing to the subversion of popular gaming into another ad-infested mass-media shitfest. There is no other perspective to take on the matter but the oblivious one.

Or people can do what they want and enjoy what they like and not really care what others think about it. Been playing LoL for about 5 months and spent around 400 dollars on it so far. You know why? Cause i can and i wanted to. Thats all that matters to anyone is what they want. If you dont want to play a game where there is a cash shop then so be it but other have voted with their wallet and they are winning.

[Big_Japan]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or people can do what they want and enjoy what they like and not really care what others think about it. Been playing LoL for about 5 months and spent around 400 dollars on it so far. You know why? Cause i can and i wanted to. Thats all that matters to anyone is what they want. If you dont want to play a game where there is a cash shop then so be it but other have voted with their wallet and they are winning.

yeah like I said, cash shop for skins is borderline but acceptable. League is a solid game considering what you can get for free. World of Tanks is another F2P that isn't complete rape for the consumer. It's the subtle alteration to the business model that allows paying for ingame advantage that is the real evil here.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah like I said, cash shop for skins is borderline but acceptable. League is a solid game considering what you can get for free. World of Tanks is another F2P that isn't complete rape for the consumer. It's the subtle alteration to the business model that allows paying for ingame advantage that is the real evil here.

I also spent money on EQ live over the 12 years i played it. If i saw something i wanted i bought it. If it gave me power so be it. Games should be played anyway someone wants within the rules of that game. Companies are making cash shops because it makes them money. People will still play games that are pay2win and spend a lot money in the process. No company in their right mind would over look this pay scheme. They just have to decide if they want to go in that direction but there are enough gamers out there to satify all kinds of pay scheme when it comes to game.

[Swish]

Trolled a couple of guys for about 30 minutes straight after spawning fresh and running to the nearest church/caravan site type area.

Joined in the middle of them having a fist fight, shot a couple of arrows and they decided they'd team up and kill me instead for being a c**t. The fun/shit thing about H1Z1 is your run speed doesn't decrease and is exactly the same as other peoples...so if you want to run in circles, jump fences and be chased there's no way you can be caught unless they shoot a lucky arrow.

Every time they gave up I potshotted an arrow (got lucky once) that had them running at me again. Don't ask me why, but that was great entertainment value.

Ended up running into a caravan and trying to defend it at the door from the pair of them (one did hit the other a couple of times while swinging at me)... didn't manage to survive, but they'd have hit their wife/dog if I didn't give them some closure after a long winded chase.

H1Z1, troll often [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Swish]

Built my first basic shack last night, was very pleased with it. Managed to get a door on, typed a pin code so nobody could just open it and walk in and clear my storage boxes/animal traps.

Logged back in this morning and the door was missing and my AR15 had disappeared with all my gathered ammunition and a bunch of other good stuff. Was quite salty about it.

Went to the nearest town to see if I could gather up some replacements, not much loot there though... ran to the north end of the town where there were 2 prominent houses. All looted. Ran out of there slightly and there was a buried stash... someone had buried a .45 pistol, a bunch of ammo and some other good stuff. Now got 120 bullets for it, good times and lessons on bases learned (nothing is looterproof).

That karmic wheel pals, it keeps turning...

(Suaggie server)

[Lemiddar]

As mentioned earlier I've never gotten anything out of a cash shop that wasn't part of a pre-access/pre-order bonus.

I agreed with most of Big Japan's points. He left out and purposely ignored things to focus on what best supports his overall argument. That happens. But then I read this part...

Originally Posted by Big_Japan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you fall for it, you are a sucker and you are contributing to the subversion of popular gaming into another ad-infested mass-media shitfest. There is no other perspective to take on the matter but the oblivious one.

This paragraph has done more to convince me I should consider buying from cash shops than anything a game company has ever tried.

I won't get more specific, given this isn't RNF.. but it made me reconsider if I want to be on the side of someone who says shit like that. Only with a lot more judging and dirty language in my head. I really hope I don't take gaming as seriously as that paragraph reads.

[Psionide]

Gotta say that what Big Japan says is usually utter garbage but IMO he really nailed it on this one. Fuck bringing cash into games.

[phacemeltar]

soooo i guess this means SOE has put yet another EQ game on the back burner in order to program a shitty game for the masses