my theory of daybreak recognizing us.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Wrench [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, im still shocked how some around here consider you some sort of pillar of knowledge and rational thought

As opposed to some dipshit that can barely form coherent sentences and posts meaningless drivel?

Gotcha.

The Velious RC database from May 2001 has already been shown to exist on some Germany server.

To think the code is not backed up there or somewhere else is stupid, most likely they just have no desire/gain to retrieve it.

Originally Posted by mgellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And by the way, even if they HAD source, recreating a running system (including database, config etc etc) as of a certain point in time from old source code archives is pretty damned difficult work for expensive people who are currently engaged in developing code that is aimed at maximizing their revenue.

Yes, and this is why it probably won't ever happen.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good grief, some of you are delusional.

There is no way they do not have every patch and alteration of the game from 1999 to present archived somewhere.

Why would they pay for their own product, thats just stupid.

I was told that when they revamped Velious they didnt keep the old code intact since they wouldnt need it again. They modified the coding 2 or 3 times in some cases more over the life of SoV in SoL and beyond. Some of which was prior to them bothering to back alot of it up. I also heard they lost some of it during the changes to staff on the project. Some things were left unfinished and someone new picked it up scrapped some of the code and changed things. The revamp that moved PoM dollhouse to GD and quite a few other changes over the life of Velious impacted what they have saved.

[mgellan]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good grief, some of you are delusional.

There is no way they do not have every patch and alteration of the game from 1999 to present archived somewhere.

Why would they pay for their own product, thats just stupid.

They don't, they've said they don't. They may have object code archives of patches (like those posted) but not source code. And by the way, even if they HAD source, recreating a running system (including database, config etc etc) as of a certain point in time from old source code archives is pretty damned difficult work for expensive people who are currently engaged in developing code that is aimed at maximizing their revenue. Buying code is cheap in comparison. I hope they just decide to distribute clients for a reasonable amount rather than buying out P99 tho...

Regards,
Mg

[Duncon]

Originally Posted by armyveteran248 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly hope Daybreak decides to buy P1999 and starts selling access. The rate at which bugs get fixed would go up, and the customer service mentality of the devs and GMs would change: it would go from being "its our server, play by our rules or we will destroy you" to "this is making us money and we need to treat players like customers."

However, as P1999 has the support of Smedley and other Daybreak execs, I doubt it will change (even more so with the agreement signed). I guess I'll have to buy millions of $$$ of Sony/Daybreak stock to see it happen.

You must have a completely different experience with MMORGs run by for profit companies or a different idea of what makes one good to say something as strange as that. In my experience they all slide inevitably away from what I appreciate.

I am very grateful P99 gives me a game that does not make “customer service” and appeasing the loudest complaints as the top priority in order to keep the $ flowing.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by armyveteran248 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly hope Daybreak decides to buy P1999 and starts selling access. The rate at which bugs get fixed would go up, and the customer service mentality of the devs and GMs would change: it would go from being "its our server, play by our rules or we will destroy you" to "this is making us money and we need to treat players like customers."

Did you never play EQ live during the Verant era? Why on earth do you think that a for-profit company would ever not have the "it's our server" mentality?? The slogan was "you're in our world now". I saw people banned for calling me (on my Guide toon) an asshole. Nothing more than that and a GM in a bad mood. I saw my server GM kill Inny because 2 guilds kept training each other, but not intentionally, trying to get to it. Look up Abashi and see how they engaged the community.

There were so many bugs, some weren't fixed for years and are now considered "classic" such as the way boats in OOT went the wrong direction but was never even attempted to be fixed. Or multi-questing. Faction mistakes. Illusions (such as those under gnome illusion appearing huge to anyone who zones in after). Their own bugs were often called "exploits" rather than fixing them.

John Smedley ran Verant then and runs Daybreak now. Use your head!

[Stormfists]

Originally Posted by armyveteran248 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I honestly hope Daybreak decides to buy P1999 and starts selling access. The rate at which bugs get fixed would go up, and the customer service mentality of the devs and GMs would change: it would go from being "its our server, play by our rules or we will destroy you" to "this is making us money and we need to treat players like customers."

Within a year they'll start rolling out Luclin, PoP, etc and charge $9.99 per download.

So... basically... you want a full progression server hosted by Sony/Daybreak.

Good news bro, your perfect server starts in June. Sad to see you go but best of luck.