Chardok

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But but....thats against the pnp

Yet somehow I've never seen them punished for it.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Champion_Standing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But but....thats against the pnp

I'm pretty sure one of the staff members (Derubael?) said that if you want to take a normal group to Chardok the AoE people absolutely have to share the zone and work around you (as per the PnP). And in the thread where they said that, several people actually reported the opposite of what's being said here (ie. that when they took a group there the AoE group was very respectful).

Of course, as others have said, it's kind of a lousy zone pre-revamp: there's a reason that Chardok has the AoE group. On live people also AoEed Sebilis, but that won't happen here because people actually like grouping in Sebilis. The same can't be said for Chardok.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course, as others have said, it's kind of a lousy zone pre-revamp: there's a reason that Chardok has the AoE group. On live people also AoEed Sebilis, but that won't happen here because people actually like grouping in Sebilis. The same can't be said for Chardok.

Not exactly right or wrong there. The items from chadok randomly drop off anything, making every nook and cranny potentially profitable. Unfortunately, this mechanic + aoe groups has made chardok loot (which is really damn good when you think about it) cheap as crap. Staves of shielding without the aoe groups would cost 10s of thousands of plat for example - but they're common as hell because of the aoe groups.

During double xp weekend when the whole server was crazy ... we took a group and camped the zone out - an area safe from the pulls. The people running the aoe group were polite, no gripes there. The zone out mobs were not in the pull path, and it was a place that wasn't really contested at a time when the whole server was frothing at the mouth and fighting over spawns. I'm rambling, but the point is .... The experience there is fantastic, double xp or no. Yeah a ridiculously good LCY group in a sparsely populated KC might mow through things faster and get faster xp - some seb camps as well - but even just killing those trash mobs at the zone out with a group of 5 the xp bar was moving very quickly. Halve that for non-double xp weekend and it was still moving fast .... and the mobs would get you right to 60.

I would wager that with the current server bloat at the upper levels you'd see a lot more xp groups there if the aoe groups weren't operating 24/7.

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So yes, if chardok had never been pbaoe'able - you'd see people in there hunting. The xp is quite good and it's one of the only high level dungeons in the game that can take you to 60. The loot, likewise, is not terrible at all. It's only 'cheap' and 'not worth it' because of the aoe groups themselves.

How many zones can you hunt dark blues consistently all the way to 60? Not a lot, and chardok is one of them.

[Cecily]

Wouldn't take more than a week or two of frapsed sit-ins and being attacked by mobs before Chardok civil rights legislation is passed.

[fastboy21]

In all seriousness, I don't understand how this isn't considered zone disruption.

I don't have a dog in this fight (at least, not now---if Chardok AOE continues after the zone revamp then I will), but this 24/7 AE grping has monopolized the zone. You literally have to time your movement through the zone around their pulling if you don't want to die. You literally have to play in an area that won't be pathed back over when they wipe (even a good Chardok AE setup wipes about 1 in 3 times).

The only reason, I hope, it is allowed to go on is that there isn't much reason to go to the zone right now (monk pipe, herbalist, couple of decent random drops) in the areas affected by the AE grp.

This isn't really an effort to debate the issue as much as it is to ask a question to the devs: When Chardok revamp is made will AE grping be allowed to continue?

[-TK-]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(even a good Chardok AE setup wipes about 1 in 3 times)

If that's considered a 'good' Chardok group now, then I'm glad I haven't been playing for a few months.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In all seriousness, I don't understand how this isn't considered zone disruption.

I don't have a dog in this fight (at least, not now---if Chardok AOE continues after the zone revamp then I will), but this 24/7 AE grping has monopolized the zone. You literally have to time your movement through the zone around their pulling if you don't want to die. You literally have to play in an area that won't be pathed back over when they wipe (even a good Chardok AE setup wipes about 1 in 3 times).

The only reason, I hope, it is allowed to go on is that there isn't much reason to go to the zone right now (monk pipe, herbalist, couple of decent random drops) in the areas affected by the AE grp.

This isn't really an effort to debate the issue as much as it is to ask a question to the devs: When Chardok revamp is made will AE grping be allowed to continue?

I grouped there before the AE exploits and it was fun, until the day I got trained by AE exploits. Now I don't go there, though I'd like to, but dealing with the asshats there is not worth the time and energy. They should just nerf it already. It's pretty stupid that for years one of the 3 high level dungeons has been allowed to be monopolized by exploiters and RMTers. This close to Velious though, it doesn't really matter anymore.

[ECDubz]

How do you get into these groups? Just message someone in chardok who is selling proxies?

[dafier]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you get into these groups? Just message someone in chardok who is selling proxies?

If you are going to do it....bring PP, zone in to Chardok and talk to the group there. Someone will speak up and tell you what's going on.

Random /tells might be missed or go unanswered.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by dafier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are going to do it....bring PP, zone in to Chardok and talk to the group there. Someone will speak up and tell you what's going on.

Random /tells might be missed or go unanswered.

I do plan on doing it a bit i just need to get some cash for more than just one or two pulls. I want to see about doing a few levels this way.