Spells: Dragon Roar

[Alunova]

Those logs are from 2014 on P99 beta? Unless I am seeing something else?

What hard evidence?

You must be watching a different video because I see 80% of the players get feared in some of these

[Daldaen]

[Tue Sep 23 18:11:57 2014] Zlandicar begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Roar>
[Sat Sep 20 08:01:00 2014] Klandicar begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Roar>
[Tue Sep 16 03:36:55 2014] Sontalak begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Roar>

[Sun Jul 19 22:11:05 2015] Gorenaire begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Fear>
[Mon Mar 23 02:26:19 2015] Talendor begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Fear>
[Wed Mar 25 02:42:33 2015] Severilous begins to cast a spell. <Dragon Fear>

The logs are from live. Where it shows them casting the different versions. You're actually able to see they are different because of the 2007 change that renamed one of them Dragon Fear.

I was saying the links you provided from Allakhazam way backs, weren't the best to go by because the two spells were identical other than the resist check.

So someone who was submitting info to Allakhazam, would see the exact same resist message, name of debuff in their buff window, same landing message, etc. A normal player back then couldn't determine which version was used by which mob.

IE they would check their logs from a Wuoshi fight, see "You resisted Dragon Roar" and submit that to Allakhazam. The database guys there wouldn't know whether Wuoshi was using the -150 or 0 resist check version so they just said this dragon casts this version arbitrarily.

[Alunova]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The logs are from live. Where it shows them casting the different versions. You're actually able to see they are different because of the 2007 change that renamed one of them Dragon Fear.

I was saying the links you provided from Allakhazam way backs, weren't the best to go by because the two spells were identical other than the resist check.

So someone who was submitting info to Allakhazam, would see the exact same resist message, name of debuff in their buff window, same landing message, etc. A normal player back then couldn't determine which version was used by which mob.

IE they would check their logs from a Wuoshi fight, see "You resisted Dragon Roar" and submit that to Allakhazam. The database guys there wouldn't know whether Wuoshi was using the -150 or 0 resist check version so they just said this dragon casts this version arbitrarily.

You don't think that would have been corrected by now though? Still to this day they list 789 for Zlandicar:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/s...s_with_Ability

I'll see if I can verify this

[Daldaen]

Well, again, it's player input. There are bound to be some inconsistencies. For example, on Allakhazam Gorenaire is only shown as using her Cold AE and CH. She has no Dragon Fear attributed to her. Severilous likewise isn't shown as casting a Fear on Allakhazam. Just to mention two similar circumstances of incorrect information on Allakhazam persisting to today.

After 2007 when it was easier to determine the few people killing these mobs likely were level 70-75 and had 300-500~ resists unbuffed. At that point no one would notice or care about the fear.

All I can tell you is from Torven's logs and from my own (The Zlandicar ones are posted showiing the 0 check, and I have some Sont and Kland I think) I can confirm that on live right now the Velious Dragons are using the 0 check fear.

I also found this post (though 2003):

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/show...0&postcount=10

Im not so sure. I went ahead and checked Lucy for Dragon Roar and found 2 of them - http://lucy.fnord.net/spelllist.html...xt=dragon+roar

I think Kland's is the one without the -150 adjustment. His fear barely ever hit me with ~200 MR. But when we did Gorenaire just like 3 months ago, most of her fears hit me, with ~250 MR. I think the kunark dragons have the -150 adjustment one

[arsenalpow]

As currently constructed on p99 (with the -150 fear) Velious dragons that fear require an almost ludicrous amount of raid redundancy. On live from that era there's numerous examples of normal guilds killing Zlandicar, Klandicar, and Sont. Right now only Rampage can consistently kill those targets (on blue) and its requiring something like 30-40 max resist DPS classes to even have a chance and getting them dead. Velious Dragons that fear shouldn't be bleeding edge content but right now they are.

I know that's all anecdotal, but as a level 60 DPS with 255 MR I shouldn't be feared 80% of the time for nearly max duration each time. The -150 resist check fear for Kunark Dragons that are lower level, and the 0 resist check fear for Velious Dragons that are higher level makes perfect sense and explains the current difficultly level of the content.

Thanks for looking into it Alunova.

[Nirgon]

Klandi and Sonti feared people

A lot

(Even with bards)

[Daldaen]

Oh look, another Nirgon post with no evidence just assertions.

Please watch the videos of Velious geared raids fighting these Dragons in normal, HP/Mana gear. Then watch a P99 raid where people are whoring out to 255 MR unbuffed, see how many get feared and more importantly for how long everyone is staying feared.

Maybe some fears saw the majority feared. Maybe some saw less than half. But almost every single person is un-feared within the first two ticks. That doesn't happen here.

[Daldaen]

[Sun Oct 04 15:41:02 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:41:21 2015] You are no longer afraid. (19 seconds)
[Sun Oct 04 15:41:38 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:41:57 2015] You are no longer afraid. (19 seconds)
[Sun Oct 04 15:42:15 2015] You resist the Dragon Roar spell!
[Sun Oct 04 15:42:51 2015] You resist the Dragon Roar spell!
[Sun Oct 04 15:43:28 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:43:28 2015] You are no longer afraid. (insta break)
[Sun Oct 04 15:44:04 2015] You resist the Dragon Roar spell!
[Sun Oct 04 15:44:40 2015] You flee in terror.
[Sun Oct 04 15:44:58 2015] You are no longer afraid. (18 seconds)

255 MR, level 60 vs. Wuoshi

The resist/hit rate isn't that much of a problem. Its the fact that of the 4 hits, 1 broke instantly and 3 were full duration fears. There seems to be no inbetween a full resist or a 20 second fear. This isn't atypical either. A sizeable portion of our raiders were eating full duration fears with 255 MR.

Then go watch those classic videos, count how many times you see someone still feared after 12 seconds, and how many stay feared for the full 18-24 seconds. Very few are feared after 12 seconds and almost no one is going full durations. There are bound to be some under-geared, non-60, non-255 MR people in those videos. Even they aren't eating these 20 second P99 fears.

[Daldaen]

Bump.

[Rejji]

Did wuoshi yesterday with 240ish Mr was feared almost entire fight (and stunned )