Poll: Rotation Or Not

[Ponden]

What other games aren't tank n spank with some random bullshit? I forgot, knowing a scripted event is roughhhh.

[Davionx]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no, you're right. there's definitely only your way to play EQ.

Never said anything about how I play this game, just that I'm amazed that people who can log into a game all day would spend their time raiding in a game where the itemization from heroic to raid does not even come close to make time spent seem worth it in the least on top of the encounters having little to no challenge at least in my eyes.

[YendorLootmonkey]

There is a better way. You form an alliance with the "2nd tier guilds", get them trained up on strats, figure out your "douchebag level" (i.e. how far you're willing to go to get what you want, which is probably the largest barrier to an alliance forming), practice mobilizing, and then give the "1st tier guilds" the competition they're inviting.

And I would rather not let a bunch of casual players get loots over people that dedicate much more time to the game.

See, they don't want you to have their shit. They don't feel you deserve it. Screw you if you have real lives that are more important to you and can't dedicate the time to the game that other players just like you have deemed necessary for you to dedicate in order to have these things that you'd like.

[Davionx]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What other games aren't tank n spank with some random bullshit? I forgot, knowing a scripted event is roughhhh.

Raiding contested in this game means you have to be available for spawn windows, I'm simply saying that the itemization ie. There is no BoE in this game, nor any crit chance, all the gear is stats and hp/mana.

It just does not seem like this game is worth it to raid, at least imo.

I'm not trying to slight people who do so, just simply saying I dont see the appeal from the itemization nor the encounters themselves

[Davionx]

I do agree that contested mobs should always be first come, first serve.

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[Ponden]

I mean, you can say the same thing for any game with any stats. But once again, if you want those items that are best in slot, you need to put time into getting them. You shouldn't be able to buy your way into the best gear. I have a casual playing friend that has best in slot for droppables on his Shaman and his Ranger. Does he want raid gear? Yes. Does he have time and the dedication to log on at 4am due to a batphone? No. He accepts that, much like others need to.

[Davionx]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean, you can say the same thing for any game with any stats. But once again, if you want those items that are best in slot, you need to put time into getting them. You shouldn't be able to buy your way into the best gear. I have a casual playing friend that has best in slot for droppables on his Shaman and his Ranger. Does he want raid gear? Yes. Does he have time and the dedication to log on at 4am due to a batphone? No. He accepts that, much like others need to.

My point is this.

Random 50 necro in full heroic gear, well call him necro H

vs.

Hardcore raiding necro in full raid gear, well call him necro R



Both do the same dmg, each dot tick does the same dmg, each first tick does the same dmg, each DD does the same dmg, neither will ever crit.

The only difference being that Necro R has more mana and HP then Necro H

imo. raid gear should have a significant upgrade path vs. heroic because of the total man hours required "40ish+ people?" for however long the zone clear takes.

I know its classic and this is the way itemization was when it came out for both heroic and raid paths, but it just does not seem worth it in the least and hopefully it gets better in Kunark

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Ponden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does he have the lack of employment to log on at 4am due to a batphone? No. He accepts that, much like others need to.

[Ponden]

Gear doesn't really add any "crit" or "increased dmg" for the most part until much further in the game. I doubt this server will see many "focus" items or "+crit" that aren't known. And yes, most rankings in EQ are related to HP, Armor, Mana, or ATK. You can't compare this to another game.

[azeth]

@ Davionx - I'm surprised you bother playing EQ with that mentality.

Tbh I'd like to upgrade my legs from Mithril Greaves to Golden Freeti Greaves.
Not only will I lose strength (still above 188), but also Sv Magic, while gaining dex (i dont use proccing weapons often) and agi (pretty useless for rogues). Just because this "upgrade" doesn't bump me from scrub -> elite does not mean it's not worth my time to pursue.

Consider now - Player X (me) wants item Y (greaves) which only drop off such_and_such raid target, i don't know, 1/50. My guild kills this target ~2 times a week or less, so if I'm not on for the kill most of the time my odds are miniscule on getting the item. Also, if I'm not on enough for any other raid we do, my odds on getting the item when it actually drops are nil. It's all perspective.

Davionx, you above almost any other poster in this thread are full of opinions regarding how you think things should be.