lol ru kidding me

[Lune]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is the single worst example, because all the western world has left behind in the war torn middle east is political instability and a body count that is not attainable by means of terrorism. There is no plan to stabilize the region because US American interests are already met, resources are already under control. Bases to expand the invasion of the middle east are built and the countries themselves are no better off than they were before the western world "intervened".

So what? Not an excuse for massacring civilians. It wasn't the responsibility of the British to rebuild Washington DC when they burned it down, and it's not our responsibility to care for Middle Eastern countries like little children because they ended up on the wrong side of geopolitical affairs. Cuba was basically excommunicated by the United States and left to rot, and they are one of the more stable and successful countries in Latin America (which isn't saying much).

Plenty of countries throughout history have been ravaged by brutal invaders and turned out just fine. I support a change in our foreign policy as much as anyone, but I draw the line at condoning terrorism because they "have no other option".

[Ricky Bobby]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only reason why the rebuilding of Europe was so successful is because of the money the US provided Europe to rebuild. Which was only done to further US American interests in Europe, strategically and economically.

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[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No. If you argue people should resort to murder and warcrimes when they feel no other alternative exists, you also argue for American genocide in countries harboring terrorists.

This is a great example of missing the point.

Nobody thinks anyone SHOULD resort to that shit.

The fact is people DO resort to that shit.

Its ideology vs reality.

the classic republican problem, all of their policies are based off of how they think people should act.. none of htem are based off the way people do act.

people shouldn't get abortions, so we out law them and people wont get them right?

people shouldn't do drugs, so we outlaw them and people wont do them right?

people should rebuild a ravaged war torn nation into a democratic utopia.. :rollseyes

[Lune]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a great example of missing the point.

Nobody thinks anyone SHOULD resort to that shit.

The fact is people DO resort to that shit.

Its ideology vs reality.

the classic republican problem, all of their policies are based off of how they think people should act.. none of htem are based off the way people do act.

people shouldn't get abortions, so we out law them and people wont get them right?

people shouldn't do drugs, so we outlaw them and people wont do them right?

people should rebuild a ravaged war torn nation into a democratic utopia.. :rollseyes

What do you propose? Say "we deserved it" about the terrorism, pack up and leave the Middle East, and pay them reparations for the awful shit we did? Pay who reparations? Many of these fuckers don't even have a functioning government.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What do you propose? Say "we deserved it" about the terrorism, pack up and leave the Middle East, and pay them reparations for the awful shit we did? Pay who reparations? Many of these fuckers don't even have a functioning government.

we walked out of viet nam...

yes I am proposing adding this TERRIBLE war to the list of wars we did not win.

We move on, and address what happens when it happens, and we dont retaliate

retaliating against terrorism is the same thing as falling victim to it.

Literally the only way to end terrorism is to accept it as a fact of life.

I mean, IF the attacks on american soil were as bad as 9/11 on a regular basis, YES we hunt down the perpertartors and kill them, like obama did bin laden.

but we don't just blanket attack EVERY fucking nation that surrounds where we think the perpetrators, might be.

and we certainly don't engage in wars with countries in order to win the ones our father lost.

and we definitly do not, continue to fund the wars in those nations 10 years later ffs.

I mean jesus, not getting out will just prolong whatever cost getting out now will be, only while supplying the cost of whatever it takes to get to the point we are actually smart enough to get the fuck out, knawm sayin?

You gotta pay the piper, its time we did.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people should rebuild a ravaged war torn nation into a functioning state.. :rollseyes

FTFY. Let's keep the straw out of it ^^

Many peoples throughout history have done just that. Suggesting that this particular group is incapable of doing so is racist. What makes any other nation better?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FTFY. Let's keep the straw out of it ^^

Many peoples throughout history have done just that. Suggesting that this particular group is incapable of doing so is racist. What makes any other nation better?

If you think that race is the cause, you are the racist.

No its the situation.

you have to look at the fucking SITUATION and not just put your idiolized vision of a nation rebuilding its self one way, as the only way.

Look at iran, they are developing from a very bad place, into a soon to be great nation.

25, 40 years from now, iran will be a fantastic place with a wonderful quality of life.

100 years from now, the single state of Korea may be the technological heart of the world.

who knows.

race is NOT in the equation AT ALL, so stop trying to put it there.

[apio]

Just packing up and leaving sounds like the best way to go about it. Ask any radical Muslim and he will tell you the same.

I don't see any terror attacks being committed because the US withdrew from the Middle East.

[apio]

crying racist is the new troll metagame

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people shouldn't get abortions, so we out law them and people wont get them right?

people shouldn't do drugs, so we outlaw them and people wont do them right?

"People shouldn't own guns, so we outlaw them and people won't get them right?"
(^^This would be perfect in your sarcastic post above. Tell me what ya think of it. You have to admit it's funny because you're so busted. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] LOL)

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at iran, they are developing from a very bad place, into a soon to be great nation.

25, 40 years from now, iran will be a fantastic place with a wonderful quality of life.

100 years from now, the single state of Korea may be the technological heart of the world.

who knows.

As certain other nations rise up out of third world status, America is crumbling and fading. Life is getting harder for the average citizen to make ends meet. Oh well, no big deal...

Maybe we'll slide down into third world status eventually, after we get smacked down by an EMP or some other devastating shit and the whole country goes dark. Millions would die or become cannibals. (Ok, it's possible that I may have read too many books in the apocalyptic genre but that scenario is still plausible, imo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

I'm all for other countries becoming more prosperous and moving up in the world.... just not at the expense of our people and nation.

P.S. I wanted to ask you something. You sound so weirdly proud of Iran. Why is that? Does it have something to do with Iran giving everyone the finger by violating the nuclear deal by developing ICBMs? Or is it admiration for how great they are at oppressing women and religious minorities. Not to mention they still execute gays.. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]