Conservatism vs Progressivism

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please, if you think conservatism is the way to go, feel free to post a failed progressive program or ideal.

Try to refrain from posting your opinions on whether something has failed, or at least try to find bipartisan support that indicates that the ideal or program you posted about is indeed a failure.

Idea: the idea of liberals when trying to set the rules but immediately break those rules in nearly the same breath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

War on drugs: Marion Barry? Interesting that it is considered a failure on conservatives when it's predominantly lefty libs dealing and using.

Prisons? Wait... who has been the leader of this country for the past 7 years? How is this a conservative failure when it's all still running status quo?

NCLB started with bipartisan support, and this is all conservatism's fault?? Even so, it stands as controversial, not out and out failure, yet again bipartisan from it's formation.

Trickle down economics is surely a lot better than what we have now, and now with an actual unemployment rate in the US of ~60% if you ignore the cooked books of the libs.

Nixon? Try out of control lawsuits against hospitals and doctors. Doctors pleading for some level of protection to fix the problem yet while 0bama too busy hand selecting doctors and actors to partake in his roundtable discussions to con the American people into handing over their liberty for oppression.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Blitzers [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your lies are defeated you start name calling very predictable strategy you consistently use.

I agree going into Iraq was dumbass shit but even dumbass' like Hillary voted for it. I would have rather us wiped out the Sauds since that's where the hijackers were from. Bush's 1940's nation building strategy was a ridiculous idea. You can't hand people an instruction manual to freedom and expect them to just figure it out especially when you have a religion that has no tenet of freedom within its structure whatsoever. Unfortunately Bush led the horse to water but he didn't make it drink.

Don't forget the 1999 "Iraqi resolution" plan that Bill Clinton signed to form Regime change in Iraq.

no im not defeated, us leaving Iraq is not what caused ISIS us invading it is.

now that's been cleared up... twice.. lets move on.

First of all I am very pleased you are attempting to cite examples of progressive failures, even though you keep pulling for democratic ones, they are indeed as close to progressives as we get in mainstream politics.

However, the Iraqi resolution, AKA the Iraq Liberation Act has been cited as the reason they were able to develop weapons of mass destruction by GWB.

Let me repeat that... its been cited as the reason iraq... was able to create weapons of mass destruction...

Iraq was never able to create weapons of mass destruction, the Iraqi liberation act was not at fault for the iraqi war and finally only one person claims it is, George Bush.

so to that I say...

NEXT

[Filthy_Pagan]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no way doggie, it's actually an agency created at the beginning of the cold war.

the Patriot Act, that gave them freedom to do whatever they wanted no matter how unconstitutional was...

drum roll

George W Bush! A CONSERVATIVE incase you were wondering...

NEXT!

Invasion of Iraq?
Democrats, including Shillary CHECK

Bullshitting about the evidence of WMDs?
Democrats CHECK

The set-up leading to the 2008 financial crisis?
Democrats CHECK

Stealing palestine from palestinians to create israel?
Democrats CHECK

People behind BLM and neo-feminazi movement?
Democrats CHECK

Bombing hospitals in the middle east?
Obama, democrat CHECK

ISIS?
Obama and netanyahu, democrats CHECK

Ending slavery in the US?
Lincoln, REPUBLICAN CHECK


next

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idea: the idea of liberals when trying to set the rules but immediately break those rules in nearly the same breath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yikes, no breaking of my own rules in this entire thread! sorry pal but if you are a conservitive i can see why your vision might be blurred.

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

War on drugs: Marion Barry? Interesting that it is considered a failure on conservatives when it's predominantly lefty libs dealing and using.

I will be dammed if you think that liberals are the only persons or even more inclined to do drugs, you are going to have to cite some pretty fucking serious NONpartisan studies to make a claim like that.

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prisons? Wait... who has been the leader of this country for the past 7 years? How is this a conservative failure when it's all still running status quo?

Privatisation of our prisons is a conservative policy and by blaming democrats for not fixing it by now is an insane way to look at who to blame for the policy.

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

NCLB started with bipartisan support, and this is all conservationism fault?? Even so, it stands as controversial, not out and out failure, yet again bipartisan from it's formation.

To this day, the conservative movement has faught tooth and nail to remove funding from education, this was as bi partisan as obamas ACA

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Trickle down economics is surely a lot better than what we have now, and now with an actual unemployment rate in the US of ~60% if you ignore the cooked books of the libs.

so now that you admittedly believe that the state of our economy is a lie & conspiracy written by liberal illuminati, i suggest you shut off the electricity in your home as it might be causing an adverse reaction to the tinfoil hat you're wearing and killing your braincells

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nixon? Try out of control lawsuits against hospitals and doctors. Doctors pleading for some level of protection to fix the problem yet while 0bama too busy hand selecting doctors and actors to partake in his roundtable discussions to con the American people into handing over their liberty for oppression.

and at this point its sounds like you are just foaming at the mouth, so it might be to late to worry about the effects of your environment and choice of hatware

[Filthy_Pagan]

OP doesnt realize that progressive/liberal = democrat kek

[Pokesan]

dial it back a notch FP you're important to me

[Filthy_Pagan]

think positive, little buddy

i havent posted in a week, i had some buildup to get out. Im all better now though.

and i'm rehabilitated

[maskedmelon]

Progressivism is not a companion of reason or logic. Neither is conservatism. Strict adherence to any ideology is the purview of fools.

The fundamental difference between conservatism and progressivism is the view of government. How can one possibly lament the oppression met at the hands of powerful corporations and wealthy individuals in one breath and advocate for the creation of a greater power in the next? Isn't it obvious people are the problem. The more power a society cedes to government the more corrupt the government becomes due to inherent adverse selection.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will be dammed if you think that liberals are the only persons or even more inclined to do drugs, you are going to have to cite some pretty fucking serious NONpartisan studies to make a claim like that.

Another complaint of failed liberalism: they can call my eyesight blurred but do the same (projectionism?), that or they just don't understand the dictionary when it comes to words like "predominantly" vs "only persons".

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Privatisation of our prisons is a conservative policy and by blaming democrats for not fixing it by now is an insane way to look at who to blame for the policy.

Anything privatized runs better than state/fed run institutions. In fact the feds have way way too much power as it is, never the design of this nation, doomed to failure. But more and more power goes to them as they promise more and more stuff in return for their votes. Not doing so hot in an election? Give 'em all cellphones, right? 7yrs, how many centuries does this administration need to fix things? They got you hornswaggled, always gold at the end of that rainbow if you just keep on running, and running, and running.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To this day, the conservative movement has faught tooth and nail to remove funding from education, this was as bi partisan as obamas ACA

It's not privatized, it's not defunded, but but should be, yes. Absolutely, yes. It's the absolute opposite. Case in point, in my state you cant even homeschool any longer unless you go out and get a masters degree. They did that when they realized homeschooled kids were getting a far better education compared to the kids in public schools, making public schools look bad. Can't have that....

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so now that you admittedly believe that the state of our economy is a lie & conspiracy written by liberal illuminati, i suggest you shut off the electricity in your home as it might be causing an adverse reaction to the tinfoil hat you're wearing and killing your braincells

Duh? lib rule #23 - if you have no credible response, throw absurdity into the conversation.

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and at this point its sounds like you are just foaming at the mouth, so it might be to late to worry about the effects of your environment and choice of hatware

Seriously, ridiculous thread. You cant throw unlimited BS topics into a single thread and have and actual conversation/debate. It's for confusion purposes e.g. toss two rabbits in front of a dog and watch him hesitate deciding which one to chase while you muzzle him. But this is a game forum, no serious discussion expected here, move along nothing to see.

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im going to try to have a discussion about the failed conservative movement vs the neverending march of progress.

I will list a few examples of failed conservative programs please...

The War on Drugs - This is a catastrophic failure that has done nothing to stop drug use and in many cases increased crime and drug use across the nation. The very idea that it is still an active policy is depressing.

Privatised Prison system - It's in the fucking constitution, just like the 2nd amendment is, that we should not live under the threat of cruel and unusual punishment. But nobody seems to care about that.

Standardized Testing/No child left behind - This is the most retarded way to think about education. it is a complete and total failure.

Trickle Down Economics - There are no economists that disagree that this is a myth

Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974 - Basically the patient zero for the complete meltdown of any semblance of healthcare america ever had, resulting in the failed system we have been trying to change for the last 8 years.

the list does and will go on and on... go ahead, name me one known failed progressive system.

PS one thing you can connect all the dots to when it comes to republican policy - they all are designed to disenfranchise black americans. So if you're going to be honest, then they are all quite successful.. the problem is if you're going to be honest, you're a racist piece of shit neocon.

/shakes head at IRYD

Girl, didn't you try to pass off these red herrings as good reasoning before? Sheesh.

Let's see... "the war on drugs" was not started by conservatives. In fact, FDR pushed for the "Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act" in 1935. I think you would agree that FDR is one of the heroes of progressive politics? At any rate, you can't blame the conservatives for the drug war. Plenty of presidents who were liberals supported the "war on drugs."

"Privatised Prison system"... Your point here is so ridiculous one has to wonder what drugs you might have been on when typing your complaint. I suppose you simply hate private industry and have somehow equated contracting out a prison system (which isn't a wide spread practice in the US) with violating the Constitution. Who knows what you are thinking here.

"Standardized Testing/No child left behind" is technically a re-authorization of the "Elementary and Secondary Education Act" signed into law in 1965. Care to guess which Democrat president was in office in 1965?

"Trickle Down Economics" is a derogatory term used by Populists who really don't know what the hell they're talking about when it comes to economics. There isn't an economist alive who says that "Trickle Down Economics" works, because the term refers to a complete red herring. There just isn't such an economic "animal" just like unicorns don't really exist.

"Nixon’s National Health Insurance proposal of 1974" is not the end product of Richard Nixon. You seem to have a very poor understanding of history. In 1965 Lyndon Johnson (a Democrat) got behind Medicare and Medicaid. By the 1970s the AFL-CIO was promoting a universal health care that had zero out of pocket costs for the consumer. Ted Kennedy picked up their proposal and ran with it. However, by the early 70s Kennedy couldn't get the full support of the Democrats who ran Ways and Means and Senate Finance. In 1974 Nixon, after following the lead of bipartisan efforts to get at least a universal catastrophic health care plan to Americans, proposed an employer mandated health care plan as a replacement for Medicaid. By the time Nixon was forced to resign, his proposal for a major health insurance overhaul and his proposal for a national health care plan, was chopped up by Democrats such as Ted Kennedy, and left for dead. So, I really don't know what the hell you could be talking about, since it is evident you have no clue what Nixon was trying to do where health care is concerned. Indeed, today's "progressives" would have applauded him!

Let's see... did you want to follow up with more dumb statements?