Tell me why Red sucks

[Bill Tetley]

1. The community is more immature than Blue.
2. There is one massive zerg guild that rules the server.
3. EQ PvP is not balanced.

[jpetrick]

Teams servers don't prevent zergs. I played on tallon zek. Once pandemonium started recruiting players that were any race it didn't matter what team you were on. They were too big to overthrow.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by coldslaw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the PVP general forum is more toxic than the Blue RnF, you're not really enticing people to give it a try.

Not to mention the red recruitment posts in almost every single thread which is annoying and a turn-off to wanting to associate more with individuals like that.

From a newer players perspective, red server a) appears toxic as fuck b) seems to ahve a declining population. Whats the point of investing time there?

You wanted to know the reasons, here are the reasons.

Basically, the people who are most visible on Red are the kind of people you wouldn't interact with on Blue. You want a server like that, that's fine. But that doesn't entice people who aren't also assholes. Blue has its assholes too, but the general norm on Blue is that it's bad to be an asshole. On Red the norm is that being an asshole is A-OK. Or even preferable.

You could do a lot of things to turn this back. It's possible to achieve new norms. I don't think enough of you really want to do that though. It would require a concerted effort against your worst elements and I don't think most of Red would think that's fun.

[fan D]

Originally Posted by Bill Tetley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. The community is more immature than Blue.
2. There is one massive zerg guild that rules the server.
3. EQ PvP is not balanced.

Why is any of this a bad thing?

1. I am not sure that is true, look how petty and ridiculous the players on blue get over items that will literally not change anything about the game. I think it is immature to have raiding result in "CoTH ducking competitions" just to obtain pixels SOLELY for the use of killing raid targets that were defeated the first day of Velious launch. The high end community, which is the majority of blue, are so toxic and greedy over raid loot even though they all can kill every single raid boss the first of Velious came out. You don't need any of the new items to accomplish anything, yet look at the insane amount of time it requires to get these items. You people don't share with each other.

2. If you're not in the zerg, you get to have arguably more fun than those who spend many hours raiding. You get to pick off the warm bodies, weaklings and noobs. All of the warm bodies and high volume of players are close together and in one zone. You get lot's of pvp targets all huddled together.

3. Nothing in EQ is balanced. The classes aren't balanced in PVE, you could get rid of how many classes and nothing would change on the blue server. EQ is flawed and wonky and makes no sense often times and that's why we love it. Embrace how unbalanced the PvP is, find fun in playing a perceived weaker class, or play a strong class and challenge yourself against the best.

[Jauna]

All of the D's posts can be summed up by

"Red is just like Blue in every aspect, but on Red you can kill them. Blue is bad, please come play with me"

[arsenalpow]

Both servers have their problems, yet people would rather deal with the blue server. Focus on red's problems instead of listing blue's. How do you fix RnF in global chat, a monumentally one sided end game, fuxked up economy, super low population, and low level griefing? How do you sell the positives of the red server such as faster XP, pvp problem resolution, and an active sleepers tomb?

If the problem solving for red's issues is "they aren't really problems, we like our server like this, stop being a baby" then don't expect anyone to make the jump.

[fan D]

i just want both servers to have fun, i want both servers to have a healthy population, dats all chest

cut us some slack? we all luv everquest u feel

[thufir]

Yeah, fan_D doesn't get it. Don't respond to people's concerns by telling them they aren't concerns. That doesn't actually work if you're trying to get people to do something voluntary.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by fan D [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i just want both servers to have fun, i want both servers to have a healthy population, dats all chest

cut us some slack? we all luv everquest u feel

So lots of people have listed issues they have with red. Care to address any of these issues? Not having the answers is fine too, Rome wasn't built in a day.

[nyclin]

1) Pvp in eq is pretty fucking terrible. As someone who played on VZ for 2 years, it has its moments but by-and-large it's basically just there to facilitate griefing or to deny someone a camp.
2) With only one serious raiding guild and and an already low pop that's hemorrhaging people, what's the point? If you want ez loot on an empty server, you can always install eqemu and #summonitem yourself a BiS char.
3) Culture seems pretty shit from the outside; one glance at the pvp forums was enough to deter me from rolling a character there. You guys might be totally awesome bros in reality, but the outward personas are insufferable.