US Oligarchs Find Common Ground In Circumventing Law

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what's God's source?

God always existed he is his own source, since we can conclude that 0 is absolute and it is impossible to achieve any value from a constant of nothing.

[Blitzers]

And because God is all things, sentient and not, he can choose to be, do, say whatever he pleases at any given time.

[maskedmelon]

10/10, you got me ^^ FP.

[maerilith]

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[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am specifically referring to the nature of people who are actually not there, whether we as attendees know or do not know that they are not there. If they actually are not there (whether we see them or not, or are even aware of them at all) then they are late.

If we are looking for a specific person and do not see them then I agree, they could be anywhere. Whether we see them or not has no bearing on their lateness if they truly are not there though.



Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing that there is no creator, just that we have no way of knowing. That does not prevent us from inferring things about its nature though if it does exist. I said if it does exist it is malevolent, impotent or apathetic and not both benevolent and omnipotent for a reason. If it we're benevolent why does it allow suffering? It must either be incapable of doing anything or unwilling to do anything or perhaps it has another reason. If it has another reason though and is omnipotent, then why not alter that other reason such that it is no longer a reason? If it is benevolent then it would do so.

While perhaps less inspiring and certainly less promising, the universe is all the more amazing if the product of random chance. Play a lottery or flip a coin, then go take a look at the life around you and what it is capable of. Then go learn of cellular biology, chemistry and physics and quantum mechanics too, and all the processes by which our world is governed. It is mind blowing (as you've already agreed with ^^) Until you attribute it to an omnipotent source. Then it is not so miraculous, not at all. Why so slow, why so inefficient, why at all?

No, I don't take it that you are arguing "that there is no creator". I'm not sure about the "we" part though, that would also be an unknown. Collectively, sure, but I can't speak of individuals other than of myself.

But like I mentioned, collectively there could be problems. If someone had irrefutable proof, they could become a very dangerous individual. If God parted the sky and showed everyone what's up, that would be the end to civilization as we know it. It's game over and we stop striving, stop maturing, and rely on God to do every little thing for us.

Would you do that to your kids, keep them as kids forever? Or do you let them learn and mature? If you don't give your kids everything they want, they throw tantrums, get mad at you and blame you. Then you gotta try to correct that, or just let them go rotten. Your kids suffer, but it's not entirely a bad thing, and in time they mature and become the better for it. So you can't be there to tie their shoes, button their shirts, brush their teeth, these are things they need to learn to do on their own. Then one day hopefully they appreciate your resistance to doing those things for them well into their adulthood.

Some believe in aliens. That these aliens come from a far off galaxy etc. To do that, they would need to be unbelievably advanced. If so, and they are here, why do they let us suffer? If aliens parted the sky and showed everyone what's up, that would be the end to civilization as we know it. It's game over and we stop striving, stop maturing, and rely on aliens to do every little thing for us. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying what you should believe, this or that, just that questions are good. As humans, it should be a question, that's healthy. I think that is part of the purpose to being human, and spurs growth and maturity. If anything I just advocate the questioning of things. Even questioning questions.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, I don't take it that you are arguing "that there is no creator". I'm not sure about the "we" part though, that would also be an unknown. Collectively, sure, but I can't speak of individuals other than of myself.

But like I mentioned, collectively there could be problems. If someone had irrefutable proof, they could become a very dangerous individual. If God parted the sky and showed everyone what's up, that would be the end to civilization as we know it. It's game over and we stop striving, stop maturing, and rely on God to do every little thing for us.

Would you do that to your kids, keep them as kids forever? Or do you let them learn and mature? If you don't give your kids everything they want, they throw tantrums, get mad at you and blame you. Then you gotta try to correct that, or just let them go rotten. Your kids suffer, but it's not entirely a bad thing, and in time they mature and become the better for it. So you can't be there to tie their shoes, button their shirts, brush their teeth, these are things they need to learn to do on their own. Then one day hopefully they appreciate your resistance to doing those things for them well into their adulthood.

Some believe in aliens. That these aliens come from a far off galaxy etc. To do that, they would need to be unbelievably advanced. If so, and they are here, why do they let us suffer? If aliens parted the sky and showed everyone what's up, that would be the end to civilization as we know it. It's game over and we stop striving, stop maturing, and rely on aliens to do every little thing for us. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not saying what you should believe, this or that, just that questions are good. As humans, it should be a question, that's healthy. I think that is part of the purpose to being human, and spurs growth and maturity. If anything I just advocate the questioning of things. Even questioning questions.

I am glad you brought up the parenting analogy, that is what i alluded to when I referenced "some other reason." It is a great analogy if there is a creator and it is powerful, but not omnipotent. If a parent were omnipotent, why wouldn't they grant their child the ability to readily understand what they needed to do without constant direction and reprimand?

I like your embrace of skepticism, but I don't see what bearing that has on the definition of words. We can redefine words to fit our goals, but then we have no effective medium of communication. Late has a very clear meaning that we understand and if someone is not at an event when it is scheduled to begin, then they are late. There is no sensible reason to question that. If we are going to debate words themselves, we cannot have a discussion.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am glad you brought up the parenting analogy, that is what i alluded to when I referenced "some other reason." It is a great analogy if there is a creator and it is powerful, but not omnipotent. If a parent were omnipotent, why wouldn't they grant their child the ability to readily understand what they needed to do without constant direction and reprimand?

I like your embrace of skepticism, but I don't see what bearing that has on the definition of words. We can redefine words to fit our goals, but then we have no effective medium of communication. Late has a very clear meaning that we understand and if someone is not at an event when it is scheduled to begin, then they are late. There is no sensible reason to question that. If we are going to debate words themselves, we cannot have a discussion.

Which word, omnipotent? Just means the power to do anything. All powerful. It doesn't mean you must do everything or anything. Just like when I play a video game, I can use a cheat code or switch to godmode, remove all challenge, but that gets old real quick. You and I have that in common, eh? We don't like the easy games so much, we play on p99 for the challenge.

As for the party *shrugs* someone else is having a better party? It's all perspective, and can too easily be put to our own expectations, our own limitations. Just like the night sky draws me to it, not it to me. We're both lucky in that, if I literally drew the night sky to me we'd all be vaporized.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which word, omnipotent? Just means the power to do anything. All powerful. It doesn't mean you must do everything or anything. Just like when I play a video game, I can use a cheat code or switch to godmode, remove all challenge, but that gets old real quick. You and I have that in common, eh? We don't like the easy games so much, we play on p99 for the challenge.

As for the party *shrugs* someone else is having a better party? It's all perspective, and can too easily be put to our own expectations, our own limitations. Just like the night sky draws me to it, not it to me. We're both lucky in that, if I literally drew the night sky to me we'd all be vaporized.

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[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which word, omnipotent? Just means the power to do anything. All powerful. It doesn't mean you must do everything or anything. Just like when I play a video game, I can use a cheat code or switch to godmode, remove all challenge, but that gets old real quick. You and I have that in common, eh? We don't like the easy games so much, we play on p99 for the challenge.

As for the party *shrugs* someone else is having a better party? It's all perspective, and can too easily be put to our own expectations, our own limitations. Just like the night sky draws me to it, not it to me. We're both lucky in that, if I literally drew the night sky to me we'd all be vaporized.

I like it and it is good to be reminded of from time to time. Thank you ^^

[Blitzers]

Originally Posted by big [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive been thinking abou tthis, man is not gods source but god is man's source, but when man creates an AI will he be 100% proven to be a god by postmodern metaphysical standards? or he just a conduit for the source, the original source big g-o-d? it will be like a deuce ex machinima or something, what are your thoughts?

I will admit I haven't studied man's progress so far in regards to AI capability.
I have yet to see man "create" anything besides ideas. I previously stated, as far as I know man can only alter, fabricate, and assemble what Nature/God has provided. As to AI and the ability to learn and react in a congruent manner, I am not sure we developed AI without some sort of sensory system programmed by man in order to achieve a desired result. If man achieves this feat does it mean man is god? I would think not. When man can create something from complete 0 or nothingness then I will have to revisit that question.