France Asserts Women's Right to Wear Clothes

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting thing here is that there are already prohibitions on clothing. Facial coverings as already mentioned are one example, but there are also restrictions on minimal clothing, which are again generally more restrictive on women than men. Why is it 'moral' to tell women what they must wear, while deplorable to tell women what they cannot wear?

Nobody is telling anyone what to wear or not to wear.. it's just a small restriction on clothing. It's funny because if i remember well, the "dont hide your face" thing was actually to prevent violent "demonstrators" to hide their face during demonstrations so they could not be prosecuted if the police would recognize them on video.. nothing to do with islamic veil (i should research this, i may be wrong).

Pretty much any laws are a compromise between freedom and security. The little freedom you lose by not being able to cover your face is considered not as important as the security gains you get. And that's actually why the Conseil d'Etat told the mayors to go fuck themselves: wearing a burkini is not considered a "trouble à l'ordre public" (risk of trouble in the public space => basically what gives the power to mayors, or any public representative to not allow or forbid a demonstration for example) and forbiding it was stepping on the freedom to wear whatever you want in the public space.

[entruil]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is telling anyone what to wear or not to wear.. it's just a small restriction on clothing.

... oh

also...

Orwell's 1984: Was Orwell Right?

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by entruil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... oh

also...

Orwell's 1984: Was Orwell Right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INwSDY6jYI

Yesterday i was reading this:

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

And it reminded me of Daywolf ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No im talking about respecting modesty and conscience in regard to how little a person can wear. It naturally makes people uncomfortable.

Maybe i misunderstood what you were referring to when you said "what they must wear", but i thought it was a reference to requiring clothing to be worn vs going naked.

No, you are right ^^ I am talking about being unclothed or partially unclothed. Women are generally more restricted. If it is ok to limit one's choices with regard to how little one wear because it might make someone uncomfortable, why is it not ok to limit how much one may wear if it might make someone uncomfortable?

Don't get me wrong, there are certainly practical reasons to not go prancing around baring your breasts, but so too are there to not wear a burka. ^^

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you are right ^^ I am talking about being unclothed or partially unclothed. Women are generally more restricted. If it is ok to limit one's choices with regard to how little one wear because it might make someone uncomfortable, why is it not ok to limit how much one may wear if it might make someone uncomfortable?

Don't get me wrong, there are certainly practical reasons to not go prancing around baring your breasts, but so too are there to not wear a burka. ^^

burqa =/= burkini =/= hijab =/= tchador =/= veil

burqa is pretty much the afghan one, with the grill before the eyes (forbidden in france because no face)

burkini is just a swimming suit covering the hair.

hijab is one you see most of the time, veil around the face covering ears and hair

tchador is the iranian one, you only see the eyes (forbidden in france)

veil is basically a scarf on the hair

i'm sure there's actually more than that.. Game is: find out which of these isis thinks is too kinky

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INwSDY6jYI

Yesterday i was reading this:



And it reminded me of Daywolf ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Actually more Children of Men than 1984

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-woNlmVcdjc

One of my favourite movies ever, just watch it

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, you are right ^^ I am talking about being unclothed or partially unclothed. Women are generally more restricted. If it is ok to limit one's choices with regard to how little one wear because it might make someone uncomfortable, why is it not ok to limit how much one may wear if it might make someone uncomfortable?

Like i said, one is a natural discomfort from modesty, the other is nothing less than an authoritarian stance on apparel.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

burkini is just a swimming suit covering the hair.

lol ok dude. didn't click any of that shit. try using imgur

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

burqa =/= burkini =/= hijab =/= tchador =/= veil

burqa is pretty much the afghan one, with the grill before the eyes (forbidden in france because no face)

burkini is just a swimming suit covering the hair.

hijab is one you see most of the time, veil around the face covering ears and hair

tchador is the iranian one, you only see the eyes (forbidden in france)

veil is basically a scarf on the hair

i'm sure there's actually more than that.. Game is: find out which of these isis thinks is too kinky

Originally Posted by R Flair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No im talking about respecting modesty and conscience in regard to how little a person can wear. It naturally makes people uncomfortable.

Maybe i misunderstood what you were referring to when you said "what they must wear", but i thought it was a reference to requiring clothing to be worn vs going naked.

Many elite fraternities have rituals about getting naked together, Bohemian Grove, Yale Skull and Bones, etc. These rituals stem from Western values.

Its a bonding experience and its about not judging others and also accepting vulnerability together.

The beach is supposed to be a similar area where you can go and hope to find openness and Western fraternity values.

ITT: fat nerds/sperglords/creeps ignore the institution of the beach and what the beach is about.

We aren't going to change the institution of the beach just because some fat arab virgin losers said so.

[R Flair]

Your authoritarian fascist leanings are showing talking about "institutions of the beach". Going to the beach was never about "accepting vulnerability together" traditionally.

Also, learn your pagan rituals. Moloch worship (bohemian grove) and the like are many millennia old, and has nothing to do with western values in the fucking slightest.