Triple Attack! Items That Will Be In Demand!

[saujee]

I got my Tstaff for 30k standard price a week ago for my monk, So I guess i don't need to worry about any price inflation when that patch comes in. #HappyMonk4eva.

[Ravager]

T-Staff better than RFS?

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

T-Staff better than RFS?

Rfs is only better at lower levels till the damage cap is lifted

[Freakish]

Raev, how's facesmasher rank on that list? 48/42.

[Raev]

2.0 multiplier which is pretty reasonable for a monk with avatar vs a Velious dragon (something like 2.6 is more reasonable vs XP targets and 110ish dps should be possible). Assumes high resists; Fist of Nature actually does 5 DPS from procs alone which moves it up a lot vs XP targets, if you don't mind letting every caster gate/ch on you. Does not include time switching out to primals to proc; if you are pulling a lot Gharn's/Primal is probably vs spending 50% of your melee time trying to proc a primal with Abashi's.

Primary Secondary Raw
Upgraded Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment 89.83
Upgraded Gharn's Rock of Smashing Fist of Nature 88.21
Upgraded Gharn's Rock of Smashing Primal Velium Fistwraps 85.47
Wurmscale Fistwraps Fist of Lightning 83.24
Baton of Flame Primal Velium Fistwraps 83.19
Fist of Nature Primal Velium Fistwraps 83.11
Upgraded Bo Staff of Trorsmang 81.78
Primal Velium Fistwraps Fist of Lightning 80.58
Wurmscale Fistwraps Primal Velium Fistwraps 80.50
Upgraded Shovel of the Harvest 79.47
Upgraded Rocksmasher 79.09
Primal Velium Fistwraps Primal Velium Fistwraps 77.84
Upgraded Facesmasher 77.40
Wurmscale Fistwraps Primal Velium Battlehammer 77.22
Upgraded Tranquil Staff 76.65
Wu's Fist of Mastery Wu's Fist of Mastery 74.91
Upgraded Primal Velium Brawl Stick 72.47
Monk Epic Fist Sceptre of Mastery 67.82
Adamantite Club Stave of Shielding 63.66
Master Wu's Trance Stick Master Wu's Trance Stick 50.41

Facesmasher has a worse ratio than the bo staff, so it's not surprising that it's pretty poor. Also note that even with the boosts Rogues should still be 10-15% ahead, which is pretty balanced.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2.0 multiplier which is pretty reasonable for a monk with avatar vs a Velious dragon (something like 2.6 is more reasonable vs XP targets and 110ish dps should be possible). Assumes high resists; Fist of Nature actually does 5 DPS from procs alone which moves it up a lot vs XP targets, if you don't mind letting every caster gate/ch on you. Does not include time switching out to primals to proc; if you are pulling a lot Gharn's/Primal is probably vs spending 50% of your melee time trying to proc a primal with Abashi's.

Primary Secondary Raw
Upgraded Abashi's Rod of Disempowerment 89.83
Upgraded Gharn's Rock of Smashing Fist of Nature 88.21
Upgraded Gharn's Rock of Smashing Primal Velium Fistwraps 85.47
Wurmscale Fistwraps Fist of Lightning 83.24
Baton of Flame Primal Velium Fistwraps 83.19
Fist of Nature Primal Velium Fistwraps 83.11
Upgraded Bo Staff of Trorsmang 81.78
Primal Velium Fistwraps Fist of Lightning 80.58
Wurmscale Fistwraps Primal Velium Fistwraps 80.50
Upgraded Shovel of the Harvest 79.47
Upgraded Rocksmasher 79.09
Primal Velium Fistwraps Primal Velium Fistwraps 77.84
Upgraded Facesmasher 77.40
Wurmscale Fistwraps Primal Velium Battlehammer 77.22
Upgraded Tranquil Staff 76.65
Wu's Fist of Mastery Wu's Fist of Mastery 74.91
Upgraded Primal Velium Brawl Stick 72.47
Monk Epic Fist Sceptre of Mastery 67.82
Adamantite Club Stave of Shielding 63.66
Master Wu's Trance Stick Master Wu's Trance Stick 50.41

Facesmasher has a worse ratio than the bo staff, so it's not surprising that it's pretty poor. Also note that even with the boosts Rogues should still be 10-15% ahead, which is pretty balanced.

What equation are these calcs based on?

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by koros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What equation are these calcs based on?

Also I noticed he used the word upgraded a lot. I know the bo staff and other 2hb get a healthy change and the, priceless/primal brawl stick change(the priceless is already upgraded) but I can't find a mention of the other mentioned weapons.

[koros]

I figured out what those equations are based on...

What %s did you throw in there for swings per round, hit rate, and (average hit - db)?

[Jimjam]

I wouldn't take those figures to be reliable projections of dps. However, for relative comparison swings per round and hit rate are irrelevant as they will be a constant factor across all cases.

The real question is how well the equation ways DMG vs damage bonus.

Against dark blue xp mobs in the high 40s on my ranger where I looked into how well the formulas work. Despite my scepticism I found the value of 2xDMG + DB was actually surprisingly accurate for determining the relative value of weapons in the primary hand (I compared a wurmslayer to a lupine dagger).

Unless someone runs parses to determine what factor to use against DMG, we'll just have to take Raev's word for what it is worth on what that might be.