Project 1999 Red Discord Server

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Servant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of this aside, I really think you overestimate the amount of griefing that occurs here from 1-55. 56+ yeah, it can be rough sometimes, but at 56+ you can also join Apex or Ragnarok and have basically half the server's pvpers on your side.

Did you know... *long list of great Red tricks*

Here's the thing: new players don't know any of that, and more importantly none of that is relevant when you're trying to get your level 2 necromancer to level 3 in the Field of Bone and some douche with a fungi keeps killing you. Red is a bag full of players, and every griefer is a hole in that bag. Blue is a bag without holes, and unsurprisingly it keeps more players.

You can insult new players for not knowing how to PvP fight, but all the PvP knowledge in the world won't help against Mr. Fungi. You can talk about loot and scoot, but new players won't know about it, and even if they did with or without their corpse they still can't take on the fungi. And you can talk about camping and waiting for him to go away, bit no one in their right mind thinks that's fun. All those thing don't matter, because at that point Red has already lost another player.

Now you can insult those players all you want. You can call them weak or stupid, or anything else, but at the end of the day insulting people for leaving won't make them stay. All I'm saying is instead of thinking like veteran Red players and looking for reasons why everyone else is a loser who doesn't deserve to play on Red in the first place, maybe y'all could try having a little empathy for what it must be like to start on Red. If you want to improve the population that is.

Originally Posted by Tassador [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This lorman guy looks like a forever newb.

C'mon, at least spell my damn name right.

[Servant]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: new players don't know any of that, and more importantly none of that is relevant when you're trying to get your level 2 necromancer to level 3 in the Field of Bone and some douche with a fungi keeps killing you. Red is a bag full of players, and every griefer is a hole in that bag. Blue is a bag without holes, and unsurprisingly it keeps more players.

New players also don't know that you might eat 2 harmtouches from mobs immediately upon zoning into HS, but I have faith they can learn. Have you ever actually seen a fungi twink in field of bone? I mean .. really?!? If that's what happened to you, then you are stressing over an EXTREMELY fringe case - it's rare I see ANYONE in FoB, let alone a fungi twink.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can insult new players for not knowing how to PvP fight, but all the PvP knowledge in the world won't help against Mr. Fungi. You can talk about loot and scoot, but new players won't know about it, and even if they did with or without their corpse they still can't take on the fungi. And you can talk about camping and waiting for him to go away, bit no one in their right mind thinks that's fun. All those thing don't matter, because at that point Red has already lost another player.

If you use LNS, a very detailed description of which can be found pinned at the top of these forums, there'd be very little relevance as to whether you could subsequently take out the twink - it'd be a violation of LNS to try. There are play nice policies that it behooves you to learn and understand on the blue server as well, right? Also, I haven't uttered even a tiny insult - these 10 guys you see with thousands of forum posts, they troll all day long, and in /ooc too - You don't know how to ignore trolls or something? Maybe they're right about your overly delicate sensibilities. I never once had to camp out of pvp, either. You act as if fringe scenarios are the regular scene, and that's just bullshit. Use your head and the impact of griefers on your r99 career will be practically nil. We've probably spent as much time on this conversation as I've spent being actively griefed on red, and I have hundreds of cumulative character levels.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you can insult those players all you want. You can call them weak or stupid, or anything else, but at the end of the day insulting people for leaving won't make them stay. All I'm saying is instead of thinking like veteran Red players and looking for reasons why everyone else is a loser who doesn't deserve to play on Red in the first place, maybe y'all could try having a little empathy for what it must be like to start on Red. If you want to improve the population that is.

"you" being the aforementioned 10-20 trolls. As if there's no fkin trolls on blue - they just have different subject matter, and give you the shaft in a different way. Grow a pair, buddy.

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's the thing: new players don't know any of that, and more importantly none of that is relevant when you're trying to get your level 2 necromancer to level 3 in the Field of Bone and some douche with a fungi keeps killing you.

I've yet to see or hear about fungi twinks hanging out in newbie zones, I've also not heard of them hanging out in CB or Unrest(remember we have server wide OOC someone would say something about it), but it wouldn't surprise me if it happened occasionally there.

Most of the ones that are common in the leveling path MM, CoM, etc will hit you once ever couple hours or so, which comes out to about twice before your out of range to them again.

PvP happens to new players, but its not as game ending as people seem to want to believe it is.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Servant [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Grow a pair, buddy.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can call them weak or stupid, or anything else, but at the end of the day insulting people for leaving won't make them stay.

See this is what just isn't getting through. It's not about me, it's not about my "pair", and it's not about (just) my own personal experience on Red (which, by the way, was that exact FoB/fungi scenario, although to be fair it happened something like a year ago).

What it's about is the new blood: Red doesn't have any, and that's why the population sucks. My experience with the fungi griefer in FoB may be relatively unique, but getting griefed off the server shortly after trying it isn't ... at least if you extrapolate from all the other stories in the "come try Red" threads. And for every player who gets griefed off, you can be pretty sure that several others will also get scared away when the first guy shares his experience in the next "try Red" thread Swish creates.

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PvP happens to new players, but its not as game ending as people seem to want to believe it is.

I know griefing isn't Red's only problem, but it seems like a big one to me. If the new blood isn't being scared off the server by griefing, what is scaring them away then? Genuine question, not rhetorical.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can insult new players for not knowing how to PvP fight, but all the PvP knowledge in the world won't help against Mr. Fungi.

I personally witnessed Cipro, last Lord of the Kedge slay some epic fungi rogue twink in Crushbone

[Tassador]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

C'mon, at least spell my damn name right.

No

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to improve the population that is.

I'll let you guess how the majority of the people on this box (and especially these forums) feel about that particular point.

In fact, you can login to Red and find people openly admitting in global OOC that they want this server to burn. Daily. You can even relay those things to a guide or GM.

Barking up the wrong tree, pal.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll let you guess how the majority of the people on this box (and especially these forums) feel about that particular point.

In fact, you can login to Red and find people openly admitting in global OOC that they want this server to burn. Daily. You can even relay those things to a guide or GM.

Barking up the wrong tree, pal.

Correct, most people, even the ones that can't stop logging in, would rather the population go to 0 so there would at least be a chance of a fresh start one day.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll let you guess how the majority of the people on this box (and especially these forums) feel about that particular point.

In fact, you can login to Red and find people openly admitting in global OOC that they want this server to burn. Daily. You can even relay those things to a guide or GM.

Barking up the wrong tree, pal.

You openly advocated for people to quit. You also RMTed which puts the entire project at risk.

Pot kettle

[Rapidwave]

People exaggerate twinks so much. That isn't the problem with Red at all imo.

Red is stale as fuck and no new player should roll here. The server is dead, 1-50 is a single player game and the end game isn't much better. Who wants to play Everquest of all games solo?

The end game is just one big clique of 2 sides that alternate for years. Look at the forums, it's 15 people that post nonsense and all type with the same phrases.

Server has to be wiped to get some fresh blood in here but that will never happen. Team server would be worse after the hype wears off. Let it rot and let the junkies enjoy their 40 pop box